Farley keeping options open?

[Drpanther]

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The ISU AD said he wanted someone with Iowa ties or at least Midwest Ties. I would still be worried about Farley. It is hard for UNI to compete money wise with ISU. Does this all sound familiar.

[cydave]

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The ISU AD said he wanted someone with Iowa ties or at least Midwest Ties. I would still be worried about Farley. It is hard for UNI to compete money wise with ISU. Does this all sound familiar.

Do you have a link to where he said that? While it is a good point, etc. During the media press conference when somebody asked the question about finding somebody with midwest/Iowa ties, he declined to comment and said he just wants a coach that wants to be here and thinks he can win.

[Chitown Panther]

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The ISU AD said he wanted someone with Iowa ties or at least Midwest Ties. I would still be worried about Farley. It is hard for UNI to compete money wise with ISU. Does this all sound familiar.

If that is what he wants....I think Glenn Mason would be great!

[bobsboy84]

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Iowa State = football graveyard. They had some OK success under Earl Bruce in the '70s, and some under McCarney. Other than that, they've been pretty bad. Zero tradition equals a very tough recruiting sell, let alone the lack of budget and facilities compared to their competition, Ames, Iowa, and several other factors.

It's not totally impossible. Bill Snyder did something similar at Kansas State. But if you start naming other schools that have gone from bad to good, they all had both tangible and intangible advantages that Iowa State doesn't have. Mizzou, Iowa, Northwestern, Kansas come to mind. ISU is a few rungs down the food chain from those schools in terms of athletics. That's why I put Iowa State in KSU's territory.

How much further down the rung could Iowa have been prior to Hayden Fry?

[TH1974]

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How much further down the rung could Iowa have been prior to Hayden Fry?

Not much. Thankfully, that was 30 years ago.

[Panther-Sheik]

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How much further down the rung could Iowa have been prior to Hayden Fry?

And that is why Hayden told McCarney when he took the ISU job to bolt as soon as a better offer came along. He said that sustaining a winning program in Ames would be impossible. That statement and the fact that Joe Paterno once said that he voted for Hayden Fry for B11 coach of the year every year because, "anyone who can recruit and win even as much as he does in Iowa City, Iowa deserves to be coach of the year". Those are powerful statements and I think show which rung on the ladder of BCS college football each program truly is...and may always be.

[bobsboy84]

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And that is why Hayden told McCarney when he took the ISU job to bolt as soon as a better offer came along. He said that sustaining a winning program in Ames would be impossible. That statement and the fact that Joe Paterno once said that he voted for Hayden Fry for B11 coach of the year every year because, "anyone who can recruit and win even as much as he does in Iowa City, Iowa deserves to be coach of the year". Those are powerful statements and I think show which rung on the ladder of BCS college football each program truly is...and may always be.

My question was to prompt a comparison between ISU today and Iowa pre Hayden Fry. I think the opportunity at ISU today is better than the opportunity at Iowa in 1979?!?!?!?!

[SteinPizza]

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How much further down the rung could Iowa have been prior to Hayden Fry?

Google the name "Evashevski". Iowa has some football lineage ISU can't come close to matching. Throw Nile Kinnick in there too while your at it. Iowa football was horrible during the next few coaches after Evy, but that's because they had a good thing going and screwed it up. Hayden realized there was tradition to build on. That means plenty of boosters who realized what it was like to be an Iowa fan when they were good, and willing to financially/emotionally back a winner. That's why I said earlier that ISU is not on an equal playing field with Iowa in football, and is a few rungs down the food chain. Basketball, more even. We're talking football here.

[Khan4Cats]

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My question was to prompt a comparison between ISU today and Iowa pre Hayden Fry. I think the opportunity at ISU today is better than the opportunity at Iowa in 1979?!?!?!?!

No, it's not.

Iowa State is about the littlest step-brother in the Big XII.

They have no where near the budget of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska. They don't have a T. Boone Pickens writing $100 million checks. Missouri is cranking up overall expenditures and doesn't compete with another BCS school in state. Same with Colorado. Even Baylor is in a better position being smack in the heart of Texas for recruiting purposes. Iowa State has the benefit of playing in the North division, where they get Kansas and Kansas State, probably the only two schools in the conference they can match wits regularly with in football, but .500 plus seasons are not going to be a regular occurence in Ames without some kind of gimmick offense or defense to attract kids, and even then it might only last for a few years.

[bobsboy84]

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Google the name "Evashevski". Iowa has some football lineage ISU can't come close to matching. Throw Nile Kinnick in there too while your at it. Iowa football was horrible during the next few coaches after Evy, but that's because they had a good thing going and screwed it up. Hayden realized there was tradition to build on. That means plenty of boosters who realized what it was like to be an Iowa fan when they were good, and willing to financially/emotionally back a winner. That's why I said earlier that ISU is not on an equal playing field with Iowa in football, and is a few rungs down the food chain. Basketball, more even. We're talking football here.

I politely disagree. IMO, 22 years of failure (prior to Hayden) is a long time and significant enough for Iowa to have lost its tradition. With the institution's commitment and loyal fan base of today, the right person at ISU has as good a chance of success at ISU as Hayden did at Iowa when he arrived.

I remember being in the stands at Kinnick in 1978 when we gave IA a standing ovation for their first 1st down just before the end of the first half vs. Indiana. Followed shortly after with chants of "bye, bye Bobby.......bye, bye Bobby.......and take your son with you." Not very nice conduct, but, an illustration of where IA football was.

[06panther10]

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Iowa fans are delusional about their supposed 'successfull tradition'. That tradition usually consists of one season finishing in the top ten followed by 10 seasons of mediocrity. Problem is, they only remember the one good season.

[bobsboy84]

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Iowa fans are delusional about their supposed 'successfull tradition'. That tradition usually consists of one season finishing in the top ten followed by 10 seasons of mediocrity. Problem is, they only remember the one good season.

Sorry to keep this thread going. IA and ISU both suck and UNI rules. Go Panthers, baby! NC in 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Panther-Sheik]

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Iowa fans are delusional about their supposed 'successfull tradition'. That tradition usually consists of one season finishing in the top ten followed by 10 seasons of mediocrity. Problem is, they only remember the one good season.

This is exactly my point made by the statements of Fry and Paterno. No offense Bobsboy, but Iowa and ISU are what they are and IMO will always be. They WILL have success (however you want to define it) from time to time, but the sustainability of an Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State is a near if not total impossibility. For those schools, a 2 to 3 year run of 3 - 4 losses per year is a period of rebuilding for whatever reason, followed by greatness again...For Iowa or ISU it would be a tremendous feat no matter what the next 5 - 10 years brought.

[SteinPizza]

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I politely disagree. IMO, 22 years of failure (prior to Hayden) is a long time and significant enough for Iowa to have lost its tradition. With the institution's commitment and loyal fan base of today, the right person at ISU has as good a chance of success at ISU as Hayden did at Iowa when he arrived.

We'll agree to disagree. My point was that Iowa is higher up the food chain than ISU in FB, so to compare ISU's situation to Iowa in '79 isn't apples and apples. The new ISU coach has a tougher job than Fry did in '79. Again, by and large it's been a football graveyard.

One thing is certain...we should be able to take advantage of this situation with recruiting. We won't win every battle with ISU, but there will be some guys on our roster in the future who otherwise would've been good players there (true every season but their turmoil will help).

[AmesPanther]

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We'll agree to disagree. My point was that Iowa is higher up the food chain than ISU in FB, so to compare ISU's situation to Iowa in '79 isn't apples and apples. The new ISU coach has a tougher job than Fry did in '79. Again, by and large it's been a football graveyard.

Chizik goes to Auburn and Dan is coaching in the national title game. I think they must have missed the graveyard memo. Apparently ISU was supposed to be their last job.