meltdown thread

[jegbomb52]

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Rennie stands in the pocket flat footed the same position he took the snap from. The pocket closes on him and he can't see his receivers. Yes he keeps way to many of the qb keepers.

The first time I saw Davis warming up (was the series before he went in) several players came up to him and were encouraging him.

Well, seeings how players were coming up to encourage him we should start him.

For the record, Terrel was encouraging several team mates on the sidelines, I was impressed to see the leadership of both these young men.

[Khan4Cats]

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I think a good coach plays the right QB who's style will work best against that particular defense.

Against NDSU, I think Rennie' speed was effective. But against ISU, it just wasn't working. Especially once we got down two scores, then you have to go do Davis.

I think we have room for both these guys to get some time. I'd always prefer to have two weapons vs. one. That's not a problem, that's an advantage.

We just need to be smart about playing the right guy and the right play calls versus the defense we're facing.

I agree with this. The weather/field conditions were just not right for Rennie or Carlos. Their speed and cutting ability was essentially neutralized because of the slower conditions. We needed a more smash-mouth approach, but we stuck to what we have been doing.

As for Davis over Rennie... the reason ISU picked him, and nearly picked him a couple passes before, is because he was locking on one and only one receiver from the time of the snap. The DB's picked up on this and were looking at his eyes as soon as they read pass. The safety just drifted over to where he was going to throw it on the pick 6 and was waiting on it.

No reason to go into meltdown mode as long ass the guys are able to shake this off. I hope they can, though there are going to be some serious doubts on the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully the team can stay unified, though with this young of a team, I worry.

Oh well, 2005 didn't start out looking so good either...

[ubuntuCAT]

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I'm just amazed that all 3 games have had exactly the same problems.

Turnovers
Missed field goals
Inconsistent offense.

Defense has been incredible although seems a little off that they haven't been able to get turnovers themselves. The one TD ISU's O scored came after they had to do a fake field goal.

[95UNIGRAD]

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This is the first Panther sporting event that I've ever left early for. Usually I'm a big proponent of supporting the team and staying until the end regardless. But coach said it, this team did nothing more than show up tonight. I didn't pay $100 to watch the team play their "C" game.

Play calling needs to be better on 3rd and short. Stratham looked pretty good on the few carries he got-- need to utilize him between the tackles instead of Carlos. I was really excited about Rennie at the beginning of the season. But after 3 games, it's become painfully obvious that his decision making and passing accuracy is not to the level that FCS football and the UNI Panthers demand. Pick Zack, give him 100% of the snaps in practice, and let him do his thing (if he's not injured as some have said).

I have no issues with the defense. They looked good tonight, especially Thompson and Conley. They got burned on the fake field goal, but I really doubt they'll fall for that one again-- they learn fast.

Lastly, can we please get some friggin "stick 'em" on every offensive player's gloves. The fumble-itis has to stop now.

We left after the second pick-6. I can't remember ever feeling that bad as a Panther fan - it felt like they just weren't doing anything right. I truly thought that with ISU's run defense and the way they had looked that we had a shot. I thought the defense played their butts off for most of the game, but the offense just killed us (as usual). I agree - the turnover stuff has to stop - oh, to be a fly on the wall at Monday's practice.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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At least prior to Davis' pick 6 we were moving the ball. Whenever Rennie was in there the ball was going nowhere. It is completely to early for you guys to give up on Davis. How can you get into a rhythm when you go in not expecting to play. We need him to have a full game worth of play before we really know. What I will say about the qb position is Walter should never EVER get a chance. He is terrible. If you guys really think neither Rennie or Davis shouldn't play then you are crazy, and if we are talking about giving someone else a shot it would have to be one of the freshmen.

Davis needs a full opportunity. He was put into a game with no chance. How can you succeed when you are put into a game in a 13 point hole? If he is healthy he needs to start against SDSU. Otherwise, I think we will be alright with Rennie. He has played well against FCS competition, winning against a good NDSU team, and playing a close game against a great SFA team where turnovers killed us. If we hold onto the ball we will still be very very dangerous!!

[TravelingPanther]

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Davis' left shoulder dislocated when he was knocked down on the pass... will probably be ready to play next week. sat by another players' brothers and they were pretty tough on Rennie. The jokes were... gee, guess it'll be a "qp option or qb sneak to the right" and by god, they were right 90% of the time!! I'm looking at the coaches for their seeing the problems and not having the ba*ls to actually do something about it!! and after Davis went out... why put Rennie back in?? what would it hurt to try Walters ???? couldn't have been any worse than what we saw!!! Let's see some guts by the 'bosses' and bench a few until they can get it together??? Davis was sparking some real excitement until he went down.....

If by real excitement you mean almost throwing a pick 3 times before it finally happened. People in the crowd cried for Davis, but turn a blind eye to his mistakes. I'm not sure if the issue is racism or just pure idiocy.

We ran 0 qb sneaks. I would guess that most of our fans don't understand the zone read option, and none of them have any clue whether or not Rennie should be keeping it. For those of you who thumb he's selfish: QBs do not like getting repeatedly hit for very little yardage. Our coaches know how to break down film, and there is a reason Rennie has been starting.

[9YRPLAN]

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i just dont think Rennie has any concept of passing lanes and how to move in the pocket accordingly.

[TravelingPanther]

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i just dont think Rennie has any concept of passing lanes and how to move in the pocket accordingly.

I can agree with that. But did Davis look like he could? He took a sack before the half and threw a lot of errant passes.

Personally, I don't care who plays QB as long as they put points on the board. No one is perfect, and right now both are equally far from it.

[Newsbreaker]

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IMHO, Rennie's problem is that he's not enough of anything, but too much of everything.

He's too much of a running QB. He takes valuable carries away from better ball carriers, and takes off in situations where it's not the best option. At the same time, he's not a good enough runner to create opportunities with his feet. He can occasionally take advantage of an opportunity, but not create one.

He's too much of a passer. He makes ill advised throws, trying to force things that are beyond his capabilities. In other words, the mind is willing but the body is not able. At the same time, he isn't enough of a passer to make the plays that must be made through the air.

It's very frustrating. I don't know I've ever seen a guy who is about 2/3 of what you need in every aspect.

[JayJ79]

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Perhaps the truth has come out.
all preseason and early season, the propaganda was that UNI had two great QBs and it was tough deciding between them.

But now it is starting to look like while we have two QBs who might have potential, we don't have any GREAT QBs.

(and I sincerely hope that one of them steps up and totally proves me wrong as the season progresses)

[Panther/Statesman]

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Well, disappointing of course, but not a total loss. The defense held ISU to one offensive touchdown (after a fake field goal) and two field goals. UNI outgained the clones by about 100 yards. So, the defense is coming along week to week. I was a bit suprized the Register used the term, "Cyclones crush Panthers".

The offense needs work yes, but we're up one conference victory and beating ISU would have mainly been for bragging rights. I like the chances of our coaching staff coming up with sollutions starting next week.

Due to rain, tailgated at the Vet Center, and it was fantastic! The crowds mixed, and UNI was well represented. I wasn't around the aforementioned taunter, but the consensus of opinion in our section was that our crowd was pretty subdued, much more so than in '07. (even before the mistakes set in)

We didn't snag a victory but personally it wasn't the devastating feeling after we missed a field goal that would have won the game two visits ago. There is a great amount of talent on the squad, and the conference season has yet to be played. Now I'd feel really bad if I were a Saluki fan...

[unipantHER]

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Racism, really Traveling Panther! Why is that word always used in a comment you make?

[panthersare#1]

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This game was a complete disappointment. The only bright spot of the day was the tailgating. It was nice to see most Panther and Cyclone fans getting along.
The fans in the Panther section needed to cheer more. Of course it didn't help when the cheerleaders and the band weren't helping to lead those cheers. Most of the fans would only cheer when it was third down. They need to start cheering for the defense before the third downs. It's not like the "Gallaher Bluedorn" where you have to be quiet (One of the fans said this many times when he saw the section next to us not getting involved). I think the game could have gone a bit differently if the crowd had been more into it. I'm not saying we could have won, but the players might have had more reason to make the bigger plays.
Rennie should have been pulled alot sooner than he was when it was apparent that he wasn't accomplishing anything. Now with Davis hurt he has to step up or maybe he needs to be relieved by one of the other backups. Be more of a team player instead of trying to do everything yourself like Pat Grace last season. Now with this farce of a game over with, the need to buckle down begins. The conference games are what matters now. Fix the mistakes and move on. Find ways to stop the fumbles and interceptions. When you have a lead keep putting points on the board. Do not sit on the lead or you will see it evaporate like with Richmond two years ago in the semis.
I do see improvement coming. Work out all the kinks and this may be a good playoff team. Just remember to focus on one game at a time!

[TravelingPanther]

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Racism, really Traveling Panther! Why is that word always used in a comment you make?

Always? Like I said, it could also be complete lack of understanding football.

[06panther10]

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That was the absolute worst football game that UNI has played in several years. The last game like this that I can think of is Illinois St in '05, where we lost by like 30 points.

We have some really good players on our football team, but that was certainly NOT a good football team that took the field on Saturday night.

I do think that the conditions really hurt us, as well. Rennie and Carlos just looked plain slow IMO. The conditions really hurt our speed advantage.

The lone bright spot is that defense. The defense did great IMO. Our crap offense set them up with terrible field position all night, and they handled it well, only giving up 1 TD.