Farley's comments before bracket selection

[JayJ79]

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Going by Sagarin, then WIU has the most beef about not getting a bye. they are the #12 best FCS team in the Sagarin rankings, UNI is #15 (Georgia Southern is #13)

[Panther-Sheik]

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After witnessing yesterday's game, I was just happy that WIU choked two weeks ago against SIU or else we might have had something much worse than a first round bye to be lamenting.

[Chitown Panther]

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I'd love to agree with this, but UNI had the golden ticket 07-09 and we didn't do $#!+ with it......

Farley has had out outperformance teams in 01 and 05.....IMO all other years we have underperformed. May sound harsh...but I think its the truth.

Hopefully Rennie is healthy and we can put together a run.... GO CATS!!!

[bobsboy84]

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Interesting how some use rankings to justify an arguement but also dismiss rankings when they are not in our favor. Just my thought, if that makes sense.

[Chitown Panther]

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It does...but we all wear our panther-blinders....

[CFBalla]

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Interesting how some use rankings to justify an arguement but also dismiss rankings when they are not in our favor. Just my thought, if that makes sense.

Basically how most fans of sports teams work.

[OH BABY! I luv this team!]

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Going by Sagarin, then WIU has the most beef about not getting a bye. they are the #12 best FCS team in the Sagarin rankings, UNI is #15 (Georgia Southern is #13)

As far as WIU getting a bye and not UNI.....Winning YOUR league title and automatic berth overides any rankings of teams or who beat who head to head. Also note that Villanova beat Delaware but Delaware tied for the conference title with William and Mary and Delaware got the #3 seed and not Villanova. Also, You failed to note that Jacksonville State is rated 19th in the Sagarin team rankings and they got a first round bye!! They are out of the OVC, two teams from the OVC make it, their league is rated 7th best and they both get first round byes!! If you want to talk rankings, UNI deserved the bye....I know they should have taken care of business Saturday at WIU and they would have got it but I don't understand how the 2nd best/toughest league in the FCS can't get a first round bye yet both OVC teams do and all 4 CAA teams and two that had identical 7-4 records as UNI and one of the teams was the 4th place team in their league!!
Anyway, it is what it is and UNI must now get after it on the field! Here is to starting a new five game winning streak!! Hmmmmm....what would that get us?!?!?!?

[Panther-Sheik]

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We really need the MVFC as a conference to start making some noise in the playoffs, too. It has been way too long since a national champ came from our conference. Until we get a trophy back in conference, rankings will mean nothing to the talking heads and committee members.

[BisoninNWMN]

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Reading this thread I agree with a lot of it.

The MV champion should have had a 1st round bye. I thought the Panthers would have taken care of business on sat (like the Bison ), but the committee made some unusal hosts.

All that matters now is taking care of what you can control.

WIN!!

All MV teams will win on saturday.

[northwest iowa panther]

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My guess is we put in a very competitive first round bid. Those bids were put in when we were not the out right conference champions but headed for a show down with WIU.

The NCAA is trying to figure out how they are going to pay for the extra round and guess what? Our bid was so good that we got what we wished for??? hosting a first round game. Most Thanksgiving games in the playoffs are poorly attended--schools hate to bid on them based on the probability of poor weather, students on vacation and the hope they will have a bye for the first week and they'll use that money to put in a better second round bid.

Just my thinking that we bought ourselves a game we really didn't want.

[JayJ79]

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My guess is we put in a very competitive first round bid. Those bids were put in when we were not the out right conference champions but headed for a show down with WIU.

The NCAA is trying to figure out how they are going to pay for the extra round and guess what? Our bid was so good that we got what we wished for??? hosting a first round game. Most Thanksgiving games in the playoffs are poorly attended--schools hate to bid on them based on the probability of poor weather, students on vacation and the hope they will have a bye for the first week and they'll use that money to put in a better second round bid.

Just my thinking that we bought ourselves a game we really didn't want.

supposedly, the bids aren't looked at until AFTER the pairings are already decided (and the bids are just used to determine which of the two teams in a game will host).

But frankly, I don't trust the NCAA in that regard.

Yes, UNI won the conference. But the conference really didn't have any OOC wins that are all that impressive this year. So, we get stuck in the play-in round. Although all 3 opponents are teams that, if the MVFC is as good as we are claiming it is when we are clamoring about how our conference deserves more respect, then all three MVFC teams should win easily.

[ST_Lawson]

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+1
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We should just start playing Drake type teams as our non conf FCS games. Its pretty clear that only the # of wins matters, and not the quality of the opponent.

Hey, it worked for us (WIU). This year, an all Div. I schedule. We opened the season at home against Valpo (which is really more like a mediocre Div. II team) that was an easy OOC game, helped us get some confidence back after last year's 1-win season, and allowed us to get the 7 Div. I wins that is "necessary" for an at-large playoff spot.

Next year though, our OOC schedule is Sam Houston State, U South Dakota, and Mizzou, so no bottom-feeders there.

[ronfitch]

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By the way....here are the final Sagarin conference rankings for Div 1 FCS teams..

Conference Ratings
1. Colonial,2. Missouri Valley,3. Big Sky,4. Southern,5. Great West,6. Southland
7. Ohio Valley,8. Northeast,9. Ivy,10. Patriot,11. FCS Independents,12. Big South
13. Southwestern,14. Pioneer,15. Mid-Eastern

So....the number 2 toughest rated conference in Division 1 FCS football does not get a bye but the 7th rated conference, the OVC, both of their teams do? The weakest conference in the Mid-Eastern(MEAC) and their conference champ Bethune Cookman gets a first round bye but the MVFC champ doesn't? Wow.....just wow...!

The Massey composite of polls also shows the MVFC at number two, FWIW.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

[OH BABY! I luv this team!]

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Yes, UNI won the conference. But the conference really didn't have any OOC wins that are all that impressive this year. So, we get stuck in the play-in round. Although all 3 opponents are teams that, if the MVFC is as good as we are claiming it is when we are clamoring about how our conference deserves more respect, then all three MVFC teams should win easily.

It is not the "play in round"! It is a 20 team national championship tournament with a first round, 2nd round, third round, fourth round and championship game! All 20 teams are IN the tourney, they don't need to "play their way" into anything; it is just that with a 20 team field not all 20 teams can play in the first round. PLEASE stop calling it the "play in round"! Also, whether all 3 MVFC teams should win in the first round or not doesn't make up for the MVFC regular season champion not getting a first round bye but all four teams out of the CAA do including THEIR 4th place team who also had a 7-4 record! How in the world can anyone justify a 4th place 7-4 team in any FCS conference getting a first round bye but the outright regular season champion of the MVFC doesn't? Don't try and answer that you will never ever be able to convince me that that is the right and fair thing to do!

[TravelingPanther]

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How in the world can anyone justify a 4th place 7-4 team in any FCS conference getting a first round bye but the outright regular season champion of the MVFC doesn't?

We're all UNI fans and we're all bummed, but it's easily justified:

-Higher rankings
-Higher power ratings
-Better wins

When you look at things from an objective standpoint it's hard to argue that we shouldn't be playing this weekend. Just because they finished 4th in the conference doesn't mean they didn't have a better season than we did. We need to earn our spot, not expect it to be given.