Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

[Blue42]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

I'm no fan of picking up retreads from Iowa City.

But I'd give Wegher another look. I'd sit him down in Farley's office and ask him to explain in plain and direct language why he left Iowa and why he left Oklahoma.

Then I'd ask if he was ready to play at UNI even if he is not the starting TB, because it's very likely to work out that way.

If he can answer each of those questions without blinking, then I'd be interested.

If not, good luck with the Coyotes.

[06panther10]

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From what I understood (from reliable sources), Wegher was basically set to come to UNI several months ago, but things fell through getting him cleared academically.

[jegbomb52]

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Lofa Totupu was a guy that transfered up. Maine to USC I believe....

[Mudrafan]

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LOL, correct, thanks. Come to think of it, has any FCS players ever transfered up and done anything of note, especially for a good team? It would be close to one-off style rare, since there is a talent gap, but it's not impossible.

I can think of one Iowa semi-example. Jim Mauro transfered to Iowa after starting out at one of the DIIish Missouri schools. I don't remember him being All Big Ten, but he was a good player and starter for Iowa for a couple of years on what had to be some good teams under Fry. Still, starting and being decent isn't standing out, which is what I'm getting at.

Not much of a talent difference. There is a depth difference.

[Mudrafan]

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So no thanks to all FCS transfers then? History shows you have to have FCS transfers to win FBS titles. Or is it just no thanks to Iowa?

No thanks to Iowa rejects. The reputation we get from it isn't worth it.

[JayJ79]

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LOL, correct, thanks. Come to think of it, has any FCS players ever transfered up and done anything of note, especially for a good team? It would be close to one-off style rare, since there is a talent gap, but it's not impossible.

more of a factor than the so-called "talent gap" would be that when transferring from FCS to FBS, the player would have to sit out a year (just as when transferring from one FBS school to another, or from one FCS school to another).

Where as a transfer from FBS to FCS, doesn't have to sit out.

[Bier Guy '99]

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Perhaps he wanted to play right away... His request to play for OU in 2011 was denied by the NCAA.

http://www.seopressreleases.com/oklahoma-won’t-have-transfer-rb-brandon-wegher-for-2011-season/19556

[9YRPLAN]

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Not much of a talent difference. There is a depth difference.

the overall talent differential is smaller these days but it is still much more significant than you will ever admit.

[jegbomb52]

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the overall talent differential is smaller these days but it is still much more significant than you will ever admit.

You both make good points, the depth is significant, the margin of talent although is better at a BCS school it is not the significant difference the depth is.

UNI has 4.3 guys, OU has more 4.3 guys...
UNI has guys making in an impact in the League, OU has more...
UNI has guys on their roster right now that will compete in the NFL, OU has more...
UNI has produced NFL MVP's Super Bowl MVP's, Defensive Players of the year, these are all things that point toward a talent equivelent, but depth defeciency.

You guys are really arguing the same thing. You are disputing semantics, but, because of your hatred for each other you will argue it until your blue in the face. Come to some common verbage, hug, and then move on.

[Chitown Panther]

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Wegher could become a great safety

[Mudrafan]

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You both make good points, the depth is significant, the margin of talent although is better at a BCS school it is not the significant difference the depth is.

UNI has 4.3 guys, OU has more 4.3 guys...
UNI has guys making in an impact in the League, OU has more...
UNI has guys on their roster right now that will compete in the NFL, OU has more...
UNI has produced NFL MVP's Super Bowl MVP's, Defensive Players of the year, these are all things that point toward a talent equivelent, but depth defeciency.

You guys are really arguing the same thing. You are disputing semantics, but, because of your hatred for each other you will argue it until your blue in the face. Come to some common verbage, hug, and then move on.

The real key difference is that I'm a UNI grad/fan & he is a dual fan at best & big-time Iowa apologist. Both are fine generally speaking. The rub here is that this is a UNI message board.

[doolittledog]

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The real key difference is that I'm a UNI grad/fan & he is a dual fan at best & big-time Iowa apologist. Both are fine generally speaking. The rub here is that this is a UNI message board.

Sorry to go off topic here. UNI is the little brother in this state. To bring in good crowds we need to bring in the casual/dual fan. Football and basketball attendance will increase if Iowa/ISU fans also feel they are welcome to also be a Panther fan. I grew up close to Cedar Falls, everyone I knew was a Panther fan...likely a Hawkeye or Cyclone fan 1st...but they were also a Panther fan. I grew up going to Hawkeye, Cyclone, and Panther games, but I now feel like I'm considered not good enough to be included as a Panther fan because I also like other teams.

My dad and two of my sisters went to Iowa, I've followed them forever. Most of my friends growing up were Cyclone fans, I've gone to loads of games down there over the years. As college approached, I had a ton of friends that went to UNI, we went to loads of games together...both football and basketball at the Dome. But, I went to a D3 school in our state. Should I just be a fan of that school and stop being a fan of other schools I have spent a lifetime following and cheering for? Not only that, should I develop a hatred for them since I'm an alum of another school?

[jegbomb52]

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The real key difference is that I'm a UNI grad/fan & he is a dual fan at best & big-time Iowa apologist. Both are fine generally speaking. The rub here is that this is a UNI message board.

I see your argument, and share your feelings, however, you aren't ever going to convince someone of your side of the argument by throwing stones at them...

I know, I know, I am the last person that needs to say something like that, its just the way I feel when I am not riled up and pissed off.

[jegbomb52]

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Sorry to go off topic here. UNI is the little brother in this state. To bring in good crowds we need to bring in the casual/dual fan. Football and basketball attendance will increase if Iowa/ISU fans also feel they are welcome to also be a Panther fan. I grew up close to Cedar Falls, everyone I knew was a Panther fan...likely a Hawkeye or Cyclone fan 1st...but they were also a Panther fan. I grew up going to Hawkeye, Cyclone, and Panther games, but I now feel like I'm considered not good enough to be included as a Panther fan because I also like other teams.

My dad and two of my sisters went to Iowa, I've followed them forever. Most of my friends growing up were Cyclone fans, I've gone to loads of games down there over the years. As college approached, I had a ton of friends that went to UNI, we went to loads of games together...both football and basketball at the Dome. But, I went to a D3 school in our state. Should I just be a fan of that school and stop being a fan of other schools I have spent a lifetime following and cheering for? Not only that, should I develop a hatred for them since I'm an alum of another school?

It is a very good argument, and you bring up good points. The only thing I will say to that is that the Cedar Falls you grew up in and the Panthers you grew up following aren't the Panthers of today. UNI now competes at a very high level and wins their share of games against our In-State Bretheren. At some point in time you are going to see a larger group of people realize that and ask for people to stop being a "Iowa / ISU 1st, UNI 2nd" kind of fan. Myself included in that.

That doesn't change the fact that we will always see "dual fans," it doesn't mean that they are wrong, it is just going to have to be accepted however that there are now fans that follow just UNI, and those fans might expect you to do the same, you don't have to, thats your choice.

[Newsbreaker]

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those fans might expect you to do the same

They have no right to do so, and it is an entirely inappropriate request. You have no more right to expect someone to be a fan of UNI and UNI alone than I have to tell someone in North Carolina that they should be either a UNC or NC State fan. It is none of my business, just as this is none of "your"* business.

This has always been the point "dual-fans" have been making. Get your nose out of other people's business, especially when it's as trivial as sports fandom, and enjoy whatever the hell it is that you choose to enjoy. It's an immature request, it's a jerky request, and the proper response to it is always going to be "mind your own business."

*not you specifically, but in general.