Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

It is a very good argument, and you bring up good points. The only thing I will say to that is that the Cedar Falls you grew up in and the Panthers you grew up following aren't the Panthers of today. UNI now competes at a very high level and wins their share of games against our In-State Bretheren. At some point in time you are going to see a larger group of people realize that and ask for people to stop being a "Iowa / ISU 1st, UNI 2nd" kind of fan. Myself included in that.

That doesn't change the fact that we will always see "dual fans," it doesn't mean that they are wrong, it is just going to have to be accepted however that there are now fans that follow just UNI, and those fans might expect you to do the same, you don't have to, thats your choice.

This is a great post, Jeg...and 100% on.

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

They have no right to do so, and it is an entirely inappropriate request. You have no more right to expect someone to be a fan of UNI and UNI alone than I have to tell someone in North Carolina that they should be either a UNC or NC State fan. It is none of my business, just as this is none of "your"* business.

This has always been the point "dual-fans" have been making. Get your nose out of other people's business, especially when it's as trivial as sports fandom, and enjoy whatever the hell it is that you choose to enjoy. It's an immature request, it's a jerky request, and the proper response to it is always going to be "mind your own business."

*not you specifically, but in general.

I think you are analyzing that statement by Jeg a little too litterally.

[doolittledog]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

I guess I just thought in this age of tight budgets where we recently lost our baseball team we wouldn't be pushing people away for not being enought of a fan for your tastes.

If I'm being told to make a choice, I know what my choice will be.

[Mudrafan]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Sorry to go off topic here. UNI is the little brother in this state. To bring in good crowds we need to bring in the casual/dual fan. Football and basketball attendance will increase if Iowa/ISU fans also feel they are welcome to also be a Panther fan. I grew up close to Cedar Falls, everyone I knew was a Panther fan...likely a Hawkeye or Cyclone fan 1st...but they were also a Panther fan. I grew up going to Hawkeye, Cyclone, and Panther games, but I now feel like I'm considered not good enough to be included as a Panther fan because I also like other teams.

My dad and two of my sisters went to Iowa, I've followed them forever. Most of my friends growing up were Cyclone fans, I've gone to loads of games down there over the years. As college approached, I had a ton of friends that went to UNI, we went to loads of games together...both football and basketball at the Dome. But, I went to a D3 school in our state. Should I just be a fan of that school and stop being a fan of other schools I have spent a lifetime following and cheering for? Not only that, should I develop a hatred for them since I'm an alum of another school?

We may need dual fans but do we need them on a UNI message board ripping UNI over & over & over again? If so, why is this not allowed on other message boards? I hear if you rip on Iowa on the Iowa board, you get tossed out on your ear. Same w/ the clowns.

[FOTY]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

I must have missed something above.... When did someone "rip" on UNI in this thread?

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

I guess I just thought in this age of tight budgets where we recently lost our baseball team we wouldn't be pushing people away for not being enought of a fan for your tastes.

If I'm being told to make a choice, I know what my choice will be.

I don't think anyone is telling you to stay home. If they are, that is just silly and wrong. Anyone that wants to yell loudly for the Panthers in the Dome / McLeod / anywhere else is good with me. But, there is also becoming a hard-core Panther fanbase that places UNI 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in our state and that is different from the past as Jeg stated. And, I think this fact is taking some Hawks and Cyclones by surprise. Some of my Hawk friends are even upset over it, which is also weird.
By the way, if all of this is over what Mudra has posted then you need to spend more time on this board to see that Mudra takes as much heat for his posts from Panther fans as he does other fans. He is what I would call an "extreme" fan. But, just as I wouldn't tell you to stay home, I would never tell Mudra to stay home. He is also a very valuable part of our fanbase.

[panther1]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

All of you arguing about being a 'dual fan' and its ramifications are silly. If you 'Panther-only' fans make folks commit to only one in-state school, UNI loses a lot of good fans. I'm happy that many of you think that you are a 'better fan' than a 'dual fan', good for you. I'm primarily a UNI fan, but I like to see all the in-state schools achieve academic as well as athletic success. I thought it was great to see a lot of Cyclone and Hawkeye fans embracing the Sweet 16 run last year and 'jumping on board', and their enjoyment is no less valid than yours or mine.

On topic (I did originally start this thread...), Robinson, Hampton, and Wegher are not guys that couldn't make it at Iowa. They were all scholarship athletes who started and contributed on the biggest of stages for college football. These aren't walk-ons that barely made the practice squad folks. When a school an hour and a half away loses talented athletes from its team, I would expect any program to take a look at the circumstances and consider if these players fit on their team, especially when they are eligible to play on day 1.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Sorry, let me clarify my feelings.

ITS A UNI MESSAGE BOARD.

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOU SAY UNI IS LITTLE BROTHER HERE!!!

Thats all, thank you.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

All of you arguing about being a 'dual fan' and its ramifications are silly. If you 'Panther-only' fans make folks commit to only one in-state school, UNI loses a lot of good fans. I'm happy that many of you think that you are a 'better fan' than a 'dual fan', good for you. I'm primarily a UNI fan, but I like to see all the in-state schools achieve academic as well as athletic success. I thought it was great to see a lot of Cyclone and Hawkeye fans embracing the Sweet 16 run last year and 'jumping on board', and their enjoyment is no less valid than yours or mine.

On topic (I did originally start this thread...), Robinson, Hampton, and Wegher are not guys that couldn't make it at Iowa. They were all scholarship athletes who started and contributed on the biggest of stages for college football. These aren't walk-ons that barely made the practice squad folks. When a school an hour and a half away loses talented athletes from its team, I would expect any program to take a look at the circumstances and consider if these players fit on their team, especially when they are eligible to play on day 1.

Okay, guess thats not all. I call a foul on some of this...To think that a casual fan (Hawk fan first, UNI fan because the "root for all state schools") enjoyed last years Sweet 16 as much as I did is idiotic. That will be forgotten by them in 10 years if Iowa ever wins more than 14 games in a season.

Packer fans enjoyed the super bowl this year more than Viking fans that wanted the Packers to win because they "wanted to see a division team win it."

There are few (that I have talked to) Cub fans that root for the Cardinals in the post season. Do they enjoy a Cardinals title as much as Cardinal fans? No. There are different levels of fandom. The only people who don't believe so are "dual fans" that are more of a casual fan. If another teams win could make you feel a little bit better about a UNI loss, you are not as vested in your fandom as someone who doesn't.

For example: If UNI loses at SIU at 3:00PM, and Iowa beats Penn State at 6:00PM, 9 Year (and apparently doolittle) will be happy at 9:00PM. Jegbomb not so much.

What I don't understand is why you guys care so much when someone points that out.

End Rant: Begin endless bickering about how is a better fan

(why do I continously let myself get into these freaking stupid petty fights on the internet?)

[panther1]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

(why do I continously let myself get into these freaking stupid petty fights on the internet?)

Good question?

[SteinPizza]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Lofa Totupu was a guy that transfered up. Maine to USC I believe....

Great example, and great player. Too bad he's toiled on some bad Seahawks teams, or he'd be a bigger name in the league.

That has to be the best example of what I was looking for, if only because it's a rare occurence.

[Mudrafan]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Sorry, let me clarify my feelings.

ITS A UNI MESSAGE BOARD.

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOU SAY UNI IS LITTLE BROTHER HERE!!!

Thats all, thank you.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. This is the issue I've been battling from day one on this board. I've never told anyone not to be a dual fan. I've asked for fans not be allowed to constantly trash UNI on a UNI message board. Is that too much to ask?

[Barnstormer]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Who's constantly trashing UNI? I want names with examples so I can ridicule them.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Who's constantly trashing UNI? I want names with examples so I can ridicule them.

You bring a good point and I think something needs to be clarified. To some, having someone make the statement "UNI is little brother" on the UNI message is trashing UNI. To some to be told that they like Iowa just as much as UNI is a slam to UNI in some people's eyes. Its like UNI isn't good enough to demand their loyal, un-divided fandom.

Its not that people are saying "UNI sucks," or "Screw UNI," its that some comments that are looked at as harmless by some, are offensive, or come off "UNI bashing" to others.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Robinson, Hampton, Wegher

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. This is the issue I've been battling from day one on this board. I've never told anyone not to be a dual fan. I've asked for fans not be allowed to constantly trash UNI on a UNI message board. Is that too much to ask?

and ive all asked is for you to use common sense and objectivity and not act like a total dip**** when discussing college sports. i have NEVER trashed UNI for the sake of trashing UNI, only when we do something stupid. i do the same thing to the hawks and cubs, which happens much more frequently.

you may be here to avoid controversy and just give every panther fan a moist kiss with purple lipstick and a gold basket full of rainbows and kitties, but the reality is that most good discussion around any topic involves some sort disagreement. it is not disrespect to UNI, it is reality.

the fact is that UNI is smaller school with a smaller fanbase and its fans have a more direct connection to the university and to people the make and influence decisions regarding the athletic department. there are heated discussions on his board that likely lead to new ideas of ways of thinking and overall it helps UNI by creating more passionate and involved fans.