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[UNIGrainer]

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Wow, if you guys are right, then whoever puts together our weekly programs sold at the games should be fired....

It lists Boothby, Fort, Eilert, and Hadenfelt as "Jr."

I didn't include the other 3 mentioned because they aren't starters who play the majority of the snaps (although it would be nice to have a couple of those guys back for depth.

You must have been given last year's program. The one I got Sat lists themas seniors.

[unifight41]

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Is he the one that flipped out and posted suggestive pictures of same sex couples? HAHAHA

[clenz]

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Is he the one that flipped out and posted gay porn? HAHAHA

Yep....He has yet to log back into championshipsubdivision since then.

He wasn't banned but it was decided his leash would be shorter than....well there were jokes made and I'm sure you catch the drift.

He now trolls boards like panthernation and salukitalk because those are the only places that "openly welcome" him.

[Khan4Cats]

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We have several seniors who are graduating but anyone who thinks there isn't plenty of talent waiting in the wings is truly delusional.

Just this last week, our starting strong safety left with an injury and was replaced with a sophomore who had a total of 4 career tackles. All he did was lead the team in tackles in that game.

We lost our starting RB the second game of the year and put in a redshirt freshman who has added an incredible dimension to our offense-but he apparently will have no impact for our team the next 3 years I guess.

We replaced our all-time leading scorer with a sophomore kicker who is only perfect on PAT's and has only missed one FG all year.

Our leading defensive back from last year in interceptions has primarily seen the field this year on special teams and only a few times on defense-yet we lead the Valley/nation in interceptions.

And on and on...

We lose Boothby but replace him with a redshirt freshman who had a great game plugging the run against SIU in the second half. The small guy in the middle of the defensive line for us against SIU was Boothby at 280lbs. Xavier Williams had a heck of a game and at 6-4, 311 can still grow. (yikes)

Our receiving corps features a sophomore TE, a junior WR, and 3 freshman WR who regularly see rotation time.

Yep, we'll lose Rennie after this year-but the cupboard is far from bare and we may just be a more difficult offense to deal with next without him. We won't be as explosive perhaps, but without one key player to focus on, defenses will have to respect all of the weapons we throw at them. The spring QB battle will be fun to watch.

[FOTY]

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We have several seniors who are graduating but anyone who thinks there isn't plenty of talent waiting in the wings is truly delusional.

Just this last week, our starting strong safety left with an injury and was replaced with a sophomore who had a total of 4 career tackles. All he did was lead the team in tackles in that game.

We lost our starting RB the second game of the year and put in a redshirt freshman who has added an incredible dimension to our offense-but he apparently will have no impact for our team the next 3 years I guess.

We replaced our all-time leading scorer with a sophomore kicker who is only perfect on PAT's and has only missed one FG all year.

Our leading defensive back from last year in interceptions has primarily seen the field this year on special teams and only a few times on defense-yet we lead the Valley/nation in interceptions.

And on and on...

We lose Boothby but replace him with a redshirt freshman who had a great game plugging the run against SIU in the second half. The small guy in the middle of the defensive line for us against SIU was Boothby at 280lbs. Xavier Williams had a heck of a game and at 6-4, 311 can still grow. (yikes)

Our receiving corps features a sophomore TE, a junior WR, and 3 freshman WR who regularly see rotation time.

Yep, we'll lose Rennie after this year-but the cupboard is far from bare and we may just be a more difficult offense to deal with next without him. We won't be as explosive perhaps, but without one key player to focus on, defenses will have to respect all of the weapons we throw at them. The spring QB battle will be fun to watch.

Awesome, and extremely accurate post. The only thing that I have to say is that if you think the QB battle will be over in spring ball, you are sorely mistaken. I wouldn't be surprised to see us go to Madison not knowing our starter.

[BCPanther]

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Farley will make a choice early. Remember 2010?

[95UNIGRAD]

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damn ticket office!
kidding of course.
but I wouldn't be surprised if the same group does the programs and the sports posters (with the schedules and the "catchy" slogans such as PantherTown and UNIted), as there tends to be misprints in both.

but anyhow, Herring is a senior (played as a true freshman in '08, and played in '09, '10, and this season)

Boothby redshirted in '07, was a reserve fullback in '08 (only stat I found for him was one 11-yard kickoff return), then moved to the defensive line for '09, '10 and this year.

Fort played as a true freshman in '08, and has played in '09, '10, and this season.

Both Eilert and Hadenfeldt redshirted in '07, and played in '08, '09, '10, and this season.

Wow, that is some major dropping the ball on the part of the program printers. I even went back and looked at the date on the cover again to make sure I wasn't crazy, and it was the right one.

Could they be lazy enough to not fully edit the 2 deep rosters in the program (Rennie and Smith and others were all correct)?

That's just really unprofessional - I should have sense something was up when Herring the WR was a junior, but Herring the KR was a senior.

[95UNIGRAD]

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We have several seniors who are graduating but anyone who thinks there isn't plenty of talent waiting in the wings is truly delusional.

Just this last week, our starting strong safety left with an injury and was replaced with a sophomore who had a total of 4 career tackles. All he did was lead the team in tackles in that game.

We lost our starting RB the second game of the year and put in a redshirt freshman who has added an incredible dimension to our offense-but he apparently will have no impact for our team the next 3 years I guess.

We replaced our all-time leading scorer with a sophomore kicker who is only perfect on PAT's and has only missed one FG all year.

Our leading defensive back from last year in interceptions has primarily seen the field this year on special teams and only a few times on defense-yet we lead the Valley/nation in interceptions.

And on and on...

We lose Boothby but replace him with a redshirt freshman who had a great game plugging the run against SIU in the second half. The small guy in the middle of the defensive line for us against SIU was Boothby at 280lbs. Xavier Williams had a heck of a game and at 6-4, 311 can still grow. (yikes)

Our receiving corps features a sophomore TE, a junior WR, and 3 freshman WR who regularly see rotation time.

Yep, we'll lose Rennie after this year-but the cupboard is far from bare and we may just be a more difficult offense to deal with next without him. We won't be as explosive perhaps, but without one key player to focus on, defenses will have to respect all of the weapons we throw at them. The spring QB battle will be fun to watch.

Fantastic post. When you get to a program of UNI's level there's always someone "waiting in the wings" to take over and not miss a beat. Could there be some drop off next year? Maybe - but I wouldn't count on it if you're a fan of another Valley team.

[95UNIGRAD]

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You must have been given last year's program. The one I got Sat lists themas seniors.

It was actually the Western Illinois program from 9/24/11 - my bad. Good to see they got it corrected finally.

[11>1]

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Yeah, I don't agree at all with the Bison fan that suggested you'll be in rough shape after losing your current seniors. Good programs don't rebuild, they reload. I know that sounds cliche, but it's true. UNI is at the top or near it of the Valley every year, so suggesting anything differently is ridiculous. I'm just hoping NDSU is in a position to do the same. We've had a couple of nice recruiting classes lately so hopefully that continues the success we've had the last 2 seasons.

[JBB]

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If you think one game decides who "controls" the conference for the next few years, it's really hard to have a discussion with you. You can't really be that naive.

Your statement is saying that an NDSU win has enormous long term benefits, while a UNI win only buys us time on top until this year's playoffs. Spoken like a true Bizon homer.

You still have to outrecruit us to take over the top spot, and where is your proof that this is happening? You think a perennial top 5 school isn't going to out recruit you in the upper midwest? You don't have the kind of tradition yet to make that statement at all.

As to our "age", like I said - we are not losing a hell of a lot next year. I'll give you Rennie and Conley (LB), but we'll reload like always. We might even have a better passing game in the long run (that could be a whole other thread):

Here's our 2-deep situation now:

Of our starting O-line: 4 of 5 return next year, 7 of top 10 back
TE: 2 of the top 3 return
WR: Everyone back but Josh Collins (minimal impact, Sinkfield is better), and maybe Herring (the program I have says he's both a Jr. and Sr. - anyone know for sure?)
QB: Rennie gone, all others return
RB: Everyone returns

DE/DT: Darren Branch gone, all others on D-line return (Boothby's a Jr. - I messed that up in my other post).
LB: Conley and Jordan Smith gone - all other returning (they'll have to step up)
DB: 3 of the 4 starters return (Canady a Sr.)
ST: Kicking game and return game (provided Herring's actually a Jr.) return completely intact

All told, that's two starters graduating on offense (Rennie & Teply at LT), and four starters graduating on defense (Branch, Conley, Canady, & Smith).

Keeping 16 of our 22 starters for next year is not going to make a very convincing argument for a "changing of the guard", particularly when the team that is supposed to overtake them hasn't beaten them yet. One win on Saturday is not going to take away UNI's track record, recruiting, or fantastic young players it has coming up. I think the opposite of what you think is true: if UNI wins, it sets NDSU back a ways because they still can't get over the hump against them, if NDSU wins, it sets them up for a short term post-season run, but they'll have to beat them back again next year, and to think otherwise is foolish.

Respect is earned over time, not from one game.

We agree to disagree then?

[JBB]

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If NDSU wins this year and you lose your dominate senior players next years team will have to be better than this years team if you expect to beat NDSU. The BISON team has 2-4 years left for sure.

Im not saying you dont have a chance and dont have a record of success. Im saying I dont think you can be better next year, thats all. Key loss is Tirrell. I know you have guys in the wings but after this season you start at zero QBs. NDSU will have one of the leagues best.

Teams can reload and good programs do, but most of the time they lose a step or two in the process or replacement, especially at QB.

I see a multi-year run for The BISON starting this year.

[Khan4Cats]

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If NDSU wins this year and you lose your dominate senior players next years team will have to be better than this years team if you expect to beat NDSU. The BISON team has 2-4 years left for sure.

Im not saying you dont have a chance and dont have a record of success. Im saying I dont think you can be better next year, thats all. Key loss is Tirrell. I know you have guys in the wings but after this season you start at zero QBs. NDSU will have one of the leagues best.

Teams can reload and good programs do, but most of the time they lose a step or two in the process or replacement, especially at QB.

I see a multi-year run for The BISON starting this year.

We won 7 straight conference titles in the 1990's with the last 4 of those featuring 1-year starters at quarterback.

We won the conference in 2008 with a first-year starter at quarterback.

We won the conference last year with a first year Division 1 quarterback starting and a brand new starting offensive line.

I'm not worried about next year. Heck, I'm not even worried if we have to replace Rennie this year and his back-up has only thrown 7 passes in his career.

[Born-a-Panther]

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Okay seriously... is it Saturday yet???

[pantherclaw]

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Okay seriously... is it Saturday yet???

52 hours, and a mere 13 hours till we can start the score prediction thread.

though it hasn't been AS BAD as I was thinking.