Sonie

[Spathicle]

Re: Sonie

Until I see/read proof that other events transpired the way it went down in my head is this:

VS after a big win is popping a bottle of Andre (maybe Balletore) champagne at a friends house. They're sitting around enjoying the fact that UNI is going back to the playoffs. Harkening back to the days when MTV actually played Music Videos and someone is playing XM too loud.

The music attracts the attention of a group of do-no-gooders who try to join the party. A couple of dudes along with VS ask them to please not join the party as the guy:girl ratio is already full. The do-no-gooders get mouthy as they usually do and attempt to gain entrance non the less. When VS and his buds try restrict access one of the do-no-gooders shivs and VS is unlucky enough to be in it's path.

Given all of the information I've been presented so far this is the most logical sequence of events. Four years and a victory lap in CF and this is no stretch of the imagination to me.

Someone presents some factual evidence of events otherwise and maybe you can sway my opinion. For now I wish VS the best and hope he brings his mouthy overly-aggresive attitude back to the field ASAP!

[casbern]

Re: Sonie

Until I see/read proof that other events transpired the way it went down in my head is this:

Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I liked to take a minute just sit right there
And tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air

West of Waterloo is where I played,
On the campus is where I spent most of my days
Chillin out, maxin, relaxing all cool,
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one lil fight and my mom got scared
And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air"

FIFY




kaboom.

[Kyle]

Re: Sonie

I was hoping the blame would shift from Sonie to Waterloo. Glad we finally got to the bottom of this.

[Barnstormer]

Re: Sonie

Yep, it's always Waterloo. Cedar Falls is filled with perfect angels that would never think of starting fights or causing problems...

Waterloo killed my parents and ate my dog...

[JayJ79]

Re: Sonie

Je déteste Waterloo

[Hail Our Panthers]

Re: Sonie

I nearly ordered something from Waterloo, Ontario once. Would have had to pick it up. Felt like a dumb@$$

[clenz]

Re: Sonie

Yep, it's always Waterloo. Cedar Falls is filleared with perfect angels that would never think of starting fights or causing problems...:rolles:

Care to compare crime stats between CF and Waterloo? Or crimes that can be tied to the residents of each city...or gang related crime/activity of each city?

[Born-a-Panther]

Re: Sonie

Yep, it's always Waterloo. Cedar Falls is filled with perfect angels that would never think of starting fights or causing problems...

Just so you know... I work in Waterloo... live in Waterloo... and my kids go to a daycare in Waterloo. Granted our Waterloo address is right on the CF/Waterloo border... and I do know there are people who try to draw a very distinct line between the two cities... but I'm not one of them. Moving on...

Three days until game day. I am pumped.

[BCPanther]

Re: Sonie

Care to compare crime stats between CF and Waterloo? Or crimes that can be tied to the residents of each city...or gang related crime/activity of each city?

No disagreement there, Waterloo has double the population and, um, more diversity, which makes the dynamics totally different.

I just get really sick of the cop out that everything bad that happens in the metro area must originate in Waterloo.

[Barnstormer]

Re: Sonie

No disagreement there, Waterloo has double the population and, um, more diversity, which makes the dynamics totally different.

I just get really sick of the cop out that everything bad that happens in the metro area must originate in Waterloo.

Nobody said that.. you're being oversensitive. It's a fact that the WPD has been cracking down on gang activity which is forcing them to go to random places to cause trouble. That very thing just happened a few weeks ago in Waverly. If the CF and Waterloo people want to get in a pissing match, that's fine, I think both your towns suck... I kid, I kid...

[UNIMIS2001]

Re: Sonie

I will use that line the next time he gets a personal foul for running his mouth on the field. I bet he he turns it on and off like a swith when he takes his helmet off...

god, all this thread needs is one of Varmah's parents to come on here and start defending him

You cannot compare the two, like you said earlier apples to oranges. Or knives to flags.

[pantherclaw]

Re: Sonie

Nobody said that.. you're being oversensitive. It's a fact that the WPD has been cracking down on gang activity which is forcing them to go to random places to cause trouble. That very thing just happened a few weeks ago in Waverly. If the CF and Waterloo people want to get in a pissing match, that's fine, I think both your towns suck... I kid, I kid...

Ah you must be from that wonderful city called evansdale?

[clenz]

Re: Sonie

No disagreement there, Waterloo has double the population and, um, more diversity, which makes the dynamics totally different.

I just get really sick of the cop out that everything bad that happens in the metro area must originate in Waterloo.

By more diversity you mean black people...don't be PC about it. We all know you don't mean Bosnian's when you go "and, um, more diversity".

Waterloo does have more African-American's...it also has more gangs (not just african-american gangs), more gang violence, more racial violence (Against and towards all races). You can't deny that. So to get offended when someone suggest the gang is likely from Waterloo and not Cedar Falls is strange I guess. I'm not saying there isn't gangs in CF, because I'd bet there is.

[clenz]

Re: Sonie

Oh my god,

Please listen one more time.

I am not mad at Sonie for anything, I just want people on this board to realize that Sonie, maybe in one small piece of a way, could have avoiding being stabbed. Thats it, thats all, I feel bad for him, but in some way he could have avoided this.

You sure fooled me with the "Not mad at him" act you've been pulling. Go back and read your posts (I'll save you the time and quoted all of them, and highlighted a rather interesting take of yours) and tell me how you, and TravelingPanther, have done anything but said that Sonie was wrong, brought this on himself, he's a terrible person, he "acts bad" on the field so he must be a bad person in real life, etc...

You're changing your stance on this, and acting like you aren't.

Not one person has said Sonie was in his PJ's reading the Bible (as TP used as an example) and some dude just walked into his place and stabbed him for no reason.

From EVERY situation that has been laid out it's pretty clear what probably went down - A group of (alleged) gang members were causing trouble all over the hill area - documented by police. Sonie was at a party (not a bar) and wasn't doing anything wrong. The (alleged) gang members tried to enter the party and either were asked to leave or started making trouble then asked to leave. They didn't leave when asked and actions were taken in the situation. Now, did Varmah say something to them that involved some 4 letter words and "puff his chest up" if that is actually the case? Probably...Heck, I'd do the same if someone walked into my place un-invited. Is doing that reason to get stabbed? Hell no! If the situation played out ANYTHING like that, Varmah did zero wrong in the eyes of the law, and would have every right to press charges. He, from all accounts that are known right now, IS the victim of a "random act of violence"

My dad always told me to not carry my mouth into a fist fight, a fist into a knife fight, a knife into a gun fight, and so on and so on...

Apparently Varmah skipped a few...

He apparently told someone that was a real ******** that he thought he was a real ****** and they brought him back to reality real quick...

by the way, use those ********** for whatever you want. They have no specified meaning.

he backs it up with 60 friends in purple around with some zebras controlling things. apparently he didn't back it up to well last night

There is one conclusion to be made...

Sonie, was out after midnight, at a place where people were carrying knives. End of story. I don't care how un-provoked it was. I know that the "jump to conclusions" is the token response for your hawkeye blinders that you wear but in Cedar Falls where expectations are a little higher, Sonie was in the wrong.

I will say it again, this young man is not as innocent as some of you make it out to be. Nobody walks up to a random house, knocks on the door, and stabs somebody. I am not saying the young man deserved to be stabbed but at some point on Saturday night / Sunday morning Sonie was doing something innapropriate / illegal, he ran his mouth, he pushed somebody, he punched somebody, he did something to put a black eye on our University, our football program, and hurt our chances of winning a conference championship. He put himself, in front of his team and program.

What did you expect our AD to say?

"Sonie tied his hand to another dude's hand and started circling around with a switchblade to the intro of Michael Jackson's Beat Song?"

No, he was going to paint as nice of a picture as he could short of using Bob Ross's "happy trees."

All of your stories people are using to defend him are "this happened to me once at 1:00AM." There is your first problem. Sonie was out at 1:00AM, outside of his home. I bet you he wasn't wearing his pajama's, and I bet he said something to draw attention to himself. Do we not already know this about Varmah? You are making it sound like he was tucked in his bed, inside a locked home, sleeping tightly and had his house broken into and was stabbed while he slept. This was not the case. That is all I am saying...

I have been on the hill and at parties all of the time when "outsiders" come in. No one has ever stabbed me... why not?

[BCPanther]

Re: Sonie

I am just simply saying that every time something happens in the metro area purple pull the Waterloo card, it's old and frankly tiring.

IMO, the increased violence of the past few years has everything to do with the economy and lack of jobs, and not as much to do with race.

If you look at the three most violent periods in Waterloo in the past forty years,they have come during economic tumult. The late 70s during the deep recession, the mid 80s after Rath closed and Deere slashed 10,000 jobs, and now. When you get young people with no feeling of opportunity and no money, bad things tend to happen...