What's really wrong

[MnPantherFan]

Re: What's really wrong

Sounds like we need to get on a winning streak...

Winning is the answer for everything

You are entirely correct. Your head coach can be the biggest jerk in the world if you are winning but start losing and the warts become increasingly apparent.

[harry joy]

Re: What's really wrong

Winning is the best deoderant.

[northwest iowa panther]

Re: What's really wrong

Winning is the best deoderant.

Yes, if 6 plays go our way the whiners and complainers are no where to be found. We'd be undefeated. You lose 4 games by a total of 16 points and it's obvious it's all the coaches' fault and the players had nothing to do with it--dropped passes, offsides, overthrown passes, busted coverages, stupid personal fouls--solution is to fire the coaches and the errors on the field are suddenly gone and the world is round again. People grow up!

[Captain90]

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It's not the coaches', it's the HC. It is about the culture that he creates with the team. Everything trickles down from his leadership position. There is a stark difference between young men with talent and young men with talent that know how to play tough, DISCIPLINED football. That is what is overlooked by Mark. He is in a position to prepare these guys to have great success in whatever they choose to do in later life, but his focus centers on his success. Unfortunate he has fooled so many, so long.

[SteinPizza]

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. He is in a position to prepare these guys to have great success in whatever they choose to do in later life, but his focus centers on his success. Unfortunate he has fooled so many, so long.

Captain, I think you could say the same thing about every other D1 head coach, especially in football due to it's revenue emphasis, and large rosters precluding the HC from having lots of interaction with individual players. Prepping players for later success isn't a HC's job anyway. His job is to win games. If that helps the players develop as people, great, but all the "character building" that supposedly is part of D1, revenue sport athletics is a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Do you think Urban Meyer or Nick Saban spend a lot of time imparting life skills lessons to their players? No, and if they (or their staff) do, it's only to guys who show star potential as players. Your walk ons or back of the roster guys...no chance.

I think your statement above is getting a little overly critical. That said, please continue to share your opinions. I find some dissent on this board a good thing. If I wanted a steady diet of Kool Aid, I'd lock myself in my house and watch MSNBC and Hannity 24/7 until the elections.

[Born-a-Panther]

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It's not the coaches', it's the HC. It is about the culture that he creates with the team. Everything trickles down from his leadership position. There is a stark difference between young men with talent and young men with talent that know how to play tough, DISCIPLINED football. That is what is overlooked by Mark. He is in a position to prepare these guys to have great success in whatever they choose to do in later life, but his focus centers on his success. Unfortunate he has fooled so many, so long.

Then what is the role of the position coaches in preparing these guys for the real world when it is the position coaches who spend CONSIDERABLE amount of more time with the players than the head coach does?

The head coach always has way more on his plate than coaching football. That's why they must have a good supporting cast.

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, I want to make that clear. It's an honest question and an honest point I'm trying to portray.

[SteinPizza]

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Then what is the role of the position coaches in preparing these guys for the real world when it is the position coaches who spend CONSIDERABLE amount of more time with the players than the head coach does?

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They can lead by example, be pseudo father figures, etc. But, at the end of the day, their job is the same as the HCs'; win games, and bring revenue in to the school. Some mentoring is bound to happen, but I always laugh when people bring up life lessons, character building, getting guys out of bad neighborhoods, etc., as some of the primary reasons for college sports. If someone believes that, then they should also question their naïve continued belief in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc.

[PantherChic]

Whoa. Do not bring Santa into this. That's going too far.

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[SteinPizza]

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Whoa. Do not bring Santa into this. That's going too far.

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LOL, valid point. My apologies to Saint Nick and Ms. Claus. Given the time of year, maybe it's a better analogy to make fun of idiots who think Barack Obama is evil, while Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh are pure and good (or vice versa, if you hold the opposite, equally idiot liberal extremist point of view). Or, forget politics. Pick any naïve fool example you want, and it fits.