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[TravelingPanther]

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I think Demos is the only one that is more of the "running" QB. Bailey has running ability and speed but supposedly has a good arm as well. Sawyer is obviously a thrower and Dunne is too with mobility somewhere in the middle I'd guess

Demos had a pretty strong arm in the film I watched.

[Blue42]

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I'll say this...

After watching Dunne work that spread offense in the spring game with just a few weeks of practice...if they put someone out there who can't throw some dimes there ought to be an inquiry.

[panther-state]

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It's pretty clear I had them mixed up then. Shoot, that's why I was excited that Bailey was the one battling with Sawyer

[claw]

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I'll say this...

After watching Dunne work that spread offense in the spring game with just a few weeks of practice...if they put someone out there who can't throw some dimes there ought to be an inquiry.

My hope is that it's Sawyer this year with 3 years of Dunne. I've heard zero bad things about how Dunne runs that offense.

[achrist70]

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From what I saw this offense to be in the fall, I would say that it is imperative that the person behind center is an accurate passer, if they are also able to run, that's great, but with so many short quick passes, being able to fit the ball into tight windows is a must.

I've actually heard good things about the Illinois transfers ability to throw the ball, but that was just what someone (who I am sure has been at a practice or two) told me.

[Trapped in California]

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The ability to throw 5-10 yard passes with high accuracy repeatedly is a different skill set than hitting a 25-35 yard corner or post route. Ideally, a Qb would be able to preform both. In addition, different coordinators teach different progression trees. Some prioritize longest possible (to shortest) throw first, others prioritize short throws first, progressing to long bombs. A QB may be a bust in one system, and a star in another.

From the limited amount I have seen of Bill Cubit's offense at Illinois, I would say it is closer to Joe Davis' concept than our previous system.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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To me in the article in the Courier last night he made it sound like it was going to be Bailey until he hurt his hamstring. Because he said we were close to a decision and then Bailey got hurt. So I have no idea why if you were close to a decision and it wasn't going to be him that his injury wouldn't matter. Then he said Dunne has really stepped up so to me I read that article like it is between Dunne and Bailey right now.

I could be wayyy off though too. Personally I was hoping for either Kollmorgen or Demos but don't think Dunne would be a bad choice either. I seriously hope they have actually made the decision though already because this is a dangerous game when you don't make a decision until late and say any of the four could be a starter.

[95UNIGRAD]

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I think Farley knows exactly who he's starting. This is just gamesmanship and keeping the Cyclones off guard. Good strategy when you're facing a D with very few returning starters.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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I think you have it backwards. Bailey supposedly ran a sub 4.5 40 in high school. All of his recruiting articles mention he has some (depending on how heavily invested the school was in recruiting him) moderate to sever mechanical issues with his throwing motion that need to be fixed. Very small sample size while at Illinois but he was 13-27 122 yards 2 TD 1 INT. Those are very, very, similar to Carnes numbers. In high school as a senior he threw for 1,000 yards and ran for 2,000

Look at Demos's passing numbers:
From his CCU profile
Ranked #1 passer in Missouri in 2011 ... Participated in the ESPN/Rise Elite 11 QB camps held at TCU and Ohio State ... 2011 first team Missouri Sportswriters and Sportscasters Class 6 All-State ... Finalist for the Gatorade Missouri Football Player of the Year ... Completed 165-of-311 passes (.531) and threw for 2,764 yards and 34 touchdowns as a senior ... Led CBC to a 13-1 record and a trip to the 2011 Missouri Class 6 championship game ... Received the "Army Strong Award' as the Player of the Week in the Great American Football Classic at The Edward Jones Dome against DeSmet, completed 16-of-29 attempts for 349 yards and caught a 56-yard touchdown pass ... Team captain in 2011 and team MVP (2010) ... Named second team All-Metro Catholic Conference as a junior ... Ranked No. 15 on St. Louis Today's Super 30 list and CBC was ranked No. 40 on the ESPNHS FAB 50 ... As a junior, completed 52 percent of his passes for 2,038 yards with 12 TDs passing and two rushing.

So in high school he threw for 4,700 yards in 2 years with 48 TDs while completing 53% of his passes.

At CCU he was 4-7 for 56 yards with a TD - he did have 13 rushes for 85 yards (6.5 ypc) and 1 TD.

At Hutchinson he was 97-176 (55.1) 1,120 yards 15 TD 3 INT with 48 carries for 200 yards.


He appears to be the one capable of mixing throwing and running better than Bailey. It's tough to say who is better though. There is a reason that Bailey was a 4* in high school with offers from Illinois, Arizona, Bostcon College, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northewstern, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Purdue and Wisconsin. I wonder how many of them wanted to keep him at QB though. He never managed to live up to even part of his hype at Illinois, but is that a byproduct of him or Illinois being Illinois?

No matter who is picked I really hope Farley gets the hell out of the way of Davis and lets him pick a QB, stick with them, and run a damn offense.

Demos is listed on Rivals as running a 4.45 40 as well.

Watching Bailey's high school high lights on YouTube shows that they ran an option offense. There is very little passing to be shown on those. That could be why his rushing numbers are so much higher than his passing numbers. He looks like a good runner, but he isn't as good of a runner as Brion was so hopefully he can pass WAY WAY WAY better than Brion if Bailey is the route the coaches decide to go.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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I think Farley knows exactly who he's starting. This is just gamesmanship and keeping the Cyclones off guard. Good strategy when you're facing a D with very few returning starters.

Well hopefully they have told the team who it is too. It would be a world of trouble if they have no clue right now who is going to start. It would mean we probably have 0 QBs when they tell us we have 4...(to borrow the old cliche phrase).

[panther1]

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Demos is listed on Rivals as running a 4.45 40 as well.

Watching Bailey's high school high lights on YouTube shows that they ran an option offense. There is very little passing to be shown on those. That could be why his rushing numbers are so much higher than his passing numbers. He looks like a good runner, but he isn't as good of a runner as Brion was so hopefully he can pass WAY WAY WAY better than Brion if Bailey is the route the coaches decide to go.

You thought Brion Carnes was a good runner?! What game did you see this in? Carnes was adequate running at best and horrible passing.

[claw]

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When did Carnes run?

[UNIFanSince1983]

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You thought Brion Carnes was a good runner?! What game did you see this in? Carnes was adequate running at best and horrible passing.

Where did I say Carnes was a good runner? I said he was a better runner than Bailey looked to be in those high school films. And to be fair I was comparing that to Carnes running in his high school films as well. Since it is unfair to compare Carnes at UNI (in a very very flawed offensive system where they had a running Quarterback but rarely used his mobility) vs Bailey at an option running high school.

Either way I should stop comparing Bailey to Carnes because I have not seen Bailey play at the college level at all. Haven't really seen him pass even in high school videos so it is hard to tell anything. I guess I trust the new coordinator will make sure Farley knows who he thinks is best for his offense and they will put the right guy out there.

[northwest iowa panther]

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The concerns I read about our line we may need all four of our quarterbacks before we're done this year.

[Bones]

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Full disclosure?

I'm an Illinois State alum, from the same HS as Bailey. I want to see Bailey play, but I am a football guy first so not at the expense of the team. I think he can make all the throws, although he is probably not as polished as someone whose been passing every down for 6 years. I don't know what the other guys bring to the table so I can't say who should start. But I am excited to possibly see the kid in action after all the BS at the other place.