Move over Bailey

[vbfan19]

Re: Move over Bailey

Watch Farley bullheadedly stick with Bailey for the MSU game.
Then put Dunne in for the NDSU game, but OL issues lead to the Bison D having a heyday with QB pressure/sacks, and Eli gets banged up, possibly with Kollmorgan-esque ramifications.

That would really suck.

[claw]

Re: Move over Bailey

I have no problem with Bailey being a big part of our offensive game plan, he has the ability to create explosive plays for us, just not at QB. This is not an attack on him, by all accounts I've seen he is a great teammate and respected member of the team. We have just seen the same movie play out too many times, and for me personally, if this Saturday I see Bailey trot out to start the game at QB, I will be immediately headed to the exits to find something more productive to do with my afternoon.

Exactly right.

Bailey has struggled but he hasn't really been put in a position to succeed. The system around him is broke. Trying to run that same system won't fix anything. Teams know they don't have to worry about a pass play properly designed so they are loading up in the box more and more.

It's time to create a new system. Get someone in there who can throw and make the defense respect the pass. Open the box for Tyvis and Malloy a bit.

Not just deep balls though. Run slants. Run stop routes, run screens, jail break screens. If the line can't protect for 4 seconds run routes that can be thrown in 2. It's not rocket surgery.

[dan_beeding]

Re: Move over Bailey

It seems the Illinois staff saw early what Mark Farley still does not not. AB would make a spectacular safety, WR, RB, etc. I don't think QB is a position where he can succeed, unfortunately.

[claw]

Re: Move over Bailey

It seems the Illinois staff saw early what Mark Farley still does not not. AB would make a spectacular safety, WR, RB, etc. I don't think QB is a position where he can succeed, unfortunately.

Bailey had offers from every school you could think of out of HS. Only 2 would let him play QB from what I've read. Nebraska and Illinois. All others wanted him somewhere else. Illinois was his home state school so he went there.

It's not a coincidence the other coach willing to let him play QB is where Farley got his previous cast off QB from - Nebraska.

[SteinPizza]

Re: Move over Bailey

Watch Farley bullheadedly stick with Bailey for the MSU game.
Then put Dunne in for the NDSU game, but OL issues lead to the Bison D having a heyday with QB pressure/sacks, and Eli gets banged up, possibly with Kollmorgan-esque ramifications.

That would really suck.

You seem to be assuming a great QB can make a poor O Line look better. Generally, that's not the case. A great O line can make an average QB look better though.

A lot of people seem to be pinning all of this to one person/position. Stuff like this usually has a few position groups as parts of the overall problem.

[claw]

Re: Move over Bailey

You seem to be assuming a great QB can make a poor O Line look better. Generally, that's not the case. A great O line can make an average QB look better though.

A lot of people seem to be pinning all of this to one person/position. Stuff like this usually has a few position groups as parts of the overall problem.

Correct.

However, do you trust Bailey to be able to deliver on quick hitting routes - assuming the staff is smart enough to call a few of them - based on how we've seen him throw the last year and a half.

[Blue42]

Re: Move over Bailey

Watch Farley bullheadedly stick with Bailey for the MSU game.
Then put Dunne in for the NDSU game, but OL issues lead to the Bison D having a heyday with QB pressure/sacks, and Eli gets banged up, possibly with Kollmorgan-esque ramifications.

That would really suck.

When Bailey was given the job last year and UNI went on a run through the last 5 games, we eeked out a 10-7 win at SDSU (thank you D) and then beat 4 of the bottom 5 teams in the league. Followed that up with a couple of poundings of EIU and Portland State who were physically overmatched...before meeting NDSU.

We don't have the same luxury this year. Schedule is much tougher and there's no way we can run the table against these teams with an offense as we've seen.

Gotta make the change now!

[SoccerDobber]

Re: Move over Bailey

While I agree that the OL has been fair at best, Bailey has been wildly inconsistent. However, I blame it mostly on playcalling. If we aren't going to use the TE much, we might as well put another lineman out there. If we aren't going to throw over the middle we might as well not have an offense at all. Can't expect a good completion percentage throwing far and wide with a mediocre passer. Every team will stack the box from here on out against Bailey. His time is Dunne at QB.

[Blue42]

Re: Move over Bailey

Listened to Rima's show this afternoon.

He had some audio from Farley's press conference today including a question about if Dunne would play at QB.

Oddly...Rima snuck this in in the last 90 seconds of his hour long show...cuz I'm sure no UNI fans would be interested in that question.

Farley's answer was that it's yet to be decided...and then in classic MF fashion went on for 40 seconds about how he evaluated a lot of positions from that game film (not mentioning the QB again) because Youngstown is so good.

Geez...I'd hate to talk about how my QB played in a game we scored 3 points. Apparently that's not very important.

[Alum 99']

Re: Move over Bailey

Would be very easy to play D against us....if you don't have to worry about pass over the middle your linebackers never have to drop...they can always come downhill for run blitzes...you put a spy on bailey and play man to man.....how can Solmon nor Farley understand this with all their years of coaching.....why they need to go!!!!

['70 Grad]

Re: Move over Bailey

Farley's answer was that it's yet to be decided...and then in classic MF fashion went on for 40 seconds about how he evaluated a lot of positions from that game film (not mentioning the QB again) because Youngstown is so good.





That sounds like classic "I'm not going to tip off the next opponent that there is a change happening."

[vbfan19]

Re: Move over Bailey

You seem to be assuming a great QB can make a poor O Line look better. Generally, that's not the case. A great O line can make an average QB look better though.

A lot of people seem to be pinning all of this to one person/position. Stuff like this usually has a few position groups as parts of the overall problem.

if the O-line sucks, then we're going to lose either way.
But I'm sick of watching the same old crap that doesn't work.
Try something different. Give Dunne some time to gain some experience.

[CincyPanther88]

Re: Move over Bailey

Seems to me that they may alternate series with the QBs. The 2nd half of the YSU game was an extremely small sample size since they only had the ball 3 times but it was Dunne, Bailey then Dunne. Personally, I hate alternating QBs.

[Blue42]

Re: Move over Bailey

Not a big fan of the alternating QB model either.

What I've always wanted to see is Dunne as the starter to bring a legit passing threat and use AB situationally at QB for 1 or 2 series a half to force the D to adjust in real time.

Would also find some ways to get AB on the field while Dunne's at QB out of the backfield, at WR or on fly sweeps with the threat to run or throw.

Now that would give D Coordinators some late nights...and make preparing for UNI a lot more complex. And it gives AB the chance to put some plays at other positions on film for the league. Everybody wins.

I heard Drew Bledsoe talk about play calling once and he said the keys are to make the D defend the whole field and give defenders a lot to think about, because they don't play as fast when they're thinking.

[panther1]

Re: Move over Bailey

Not a big fan of the alternating QB model either.

What I've always wanted to see is Dunne as the starter to bring a legit passing threat and use AB situationally at QB for 1 or 2 series a half to force the D to adjust in real time.

Would also find some ways to get AB on the field while Dunne's at QB out of the backfield, at WR or on fly sweeps with the threat to run or throw.

Now that would give D Coordinators some late nights...and make preparing for UNI a lot more complex. And it gives AB the chance to put some plays at other positions on film for the league. Everybody wins.

I heard Drew Bledsoe talk about play calling once and he said the keys are to make the D defend the whole field and give defenders a lot to think about, because they don't play as fast when they're thinking.

The bolded part is 1000% correct. If they know you're running, everyone is flying at the ball. If they know you're passing, the defensive backfield is reading the QB and not focusing on helping stop the run. We need a QB who is capable of throwing more than one route; that will open up both the run and the pass. That makes everyone, including the line, look better.