Future Schedules

[Trapped in California]

come on, really?

Wisconsin v cal poly sure wasn't interesting. For the want of a place kicker.

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[9YRPLAN]

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you dont quite understand the difference between "fan interest" and "a good game"

[BCPanther]

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For the love of god, get the MAC on the phone. #WeWantMACtion

[Kyle]

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Troy Dannen needs a raise. This guy understand exactly how the landscape of college athletics is changing.

And yes, let's join the Mac as a football only member ASAP. Not only will this be a great move for football, but will give us a place to park all sports in the event the MVC crumbles during the next couple years.

[FOTY]

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Troy Dannen needs a raise. This guy understand exactly how the landscape of college athletics is changing.

And yes, let's join the Mac as a football only member ASAP. Not only will this be a great move for football, but will give us a place to park all sports in the event the MVC crumbles during the next couple years.

Football and wrestling....

[Kyle]

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Isn't wrestling already in the MAC?

[9YRPLAN]

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I'm sure glad we've managed to run off presidents that appreciated Panther athletics

[FOTY]

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Isn't wrestling already in the MAC?

Yes they are... Which means we can't be "football only".



Just playin'

[Kyle]

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Ahhhhh, I see. Touchè.

[Kyle]

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i'm sure glad the faculty senate and the BOR managed to run off presidents that appreciated panther athletics

fify

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[TH1974]

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I'm sure glad we've managed to run off presidents that appreciated Panther athletics

I thought Allen and Dannen were hired to kill panther athletics. This is so confusing.

[jegbomb52]

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come on, really?

yes, really. I don't know if they are "scared" in the way the op meant it, but they are most definitely afraid of scheduling these games, at least more than they used to be. I don't know all the specifics but the Big XII isn't getting the name the score games out of FCS schools anymore. In the past ten years there have been a number of FCS wins over Big XII teams. Victims I know include Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana and Michigan, but still losses are losses. These programs used to be able to rely on an easy W against FCS schools, they no longer can.

Now you have teams like Wisconsin and Iowa playing more than competitive games with FCS schools to where if either team had a kicker that could kick a ball through two yellow sticks inside 40 yards (I know that WI has white sticks) they would be on the victim list too.

Are they "scared" no, probably not, but the risk of losing to an FCS team is no longer worth the reward which is a huge pay day for the home institution. Those W's are no longer promised the way they were 10-15 years ago when the 12 game schedule came out. Losing to an FCS team would be as demoralizing to a fan base and supporters as it was to sit in the UNI Dome the "day the banner fell" and we watched North Dakota compete 4 yard pass, after 4 yard pass.

Think of playing blackjack, you double down on a 9 against a 4, 5, 6. No question, every time. The risk, is worth the reward. You don't double down on a 9 vs a face card. The risk is not worth the reward.

The Big XII has simply identified that the risk is now not worth the reward anymore. Thats all.

[havok58]

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Sounds like the Big 10 is preparing for the addition of Rutgers and Maryland in 2014, and then realign the two divisions. The most mentioned one is geographical "East" and "West." There is support for putting OSU and Michigan together again.

The concern is scheduling 9 or 10 conference games. Ten games gives each school 5 conference home and away games, but only two out-of-conference games. Nine games provides an imbalanced conference schedule of 5 home 4 away games each season, but the ability to schedule more OOC games with one being a BCS school (on a home - away format). With schools needing the home games for revenue, a 10-game schedule may lessen the likelihood of scheduling big name BCS games for two smaller FBS schools. That scenario would possibly affect the newly proposed 4-team playoffs because of a lesser strength of schedule.

Another major player in this is TV ratings, as the Big 10 network supposedly is up for renewal around that time frame, and more conference games, stronger schedules would lead to higher television payouts.

Now while I see their is talk for UNI moving up to MAC to be a part of this scheduling dilemma, I'm more concerned about the financial impact it will have on the school. A move to FBS requires more scholarships, more sports to comply with Title IX, and if the football team gets accepted to a bowl game via MAC championship or other minor league bowls, the school's cost to attend the bowl.

It has been widely published that a lot of schools lose money attending bowl games, especially if they went to a BCS bowl from a smaller conference. Although the exposure of going to a bowl game is possibly good for the teams and fans, does a lower tier bowl match the excitement of a legitimate playoff? Would NDSU fans and school rather say "We are the 2-time defending national champions!" or "We are the defending GoDaddy.com bowl champs!" What would we as fans like to say?

Based on the numbers I've read on how schools barely break even and more likely lose money going to bowls, I'd rather stay in an environment where UNI is financially better off. Is it perfect, no? But I'm not convinced going FBS is the better move either.

In the long run, I believe the rich will get richer. The BCS will morph into it's own private entity outside the reach of the NCAA. The non-BCS schools will remain and either come back to the UNI level of FCS, or the bulk of FCS schools will be able to financially afford the jump to the new, cheaper non-BCS arm of football schools.

[Khan4Cats]

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Sounds like the Big 10 is preparing for the addition of Rutgers and Maryland in 2014, and then realign the two divisions. The most mentioned one is geographical "East" and "West." There is support for putting OSU and Michigan together again.

The concern is scheduling 9 or 10 conference games. Ten games gives each school 5 conference home and away games, but only two out-of-conference games. Nine games provides an imbalanced conference schedule of 5 home 4 away games each season, but the ability to schedule more OOC games with one being a BCS school (on a home - away format). With schools needing the home games for revenue, a 10-game schedule may lessen the likelihood of scheduling big name BCS games for two smaller FBS schools. That scenario would possibly affect the newly proposed 4-team playoffs because of a lesser strength of schedule.

Another major player in this is TV ratings, as the Big 10 network supposedly is up for renewal around that time frame, and more conference games, stronger schedules would lead to higher television payouts.

Now while I see their is talk for UNI moving up to MAC to be a part of this scheduling dilemma, I'm more concerned about the financial impact it will have on the school. A move to FBS requires more scholarships, more sports to comply with Title IX, and if the football team gets accepted to a bowl game via MAC championship or other minor league bowls, the school's cost to attend the bowl.

It has been widely published that a lot of schools lose money attending bowl games, especially if they went to a BCS bowl from a smaller conference. Although the exposure of going to a bowl game is possibly good for the teams and fans, does a lower tier bowl match the excitement of a legitimate playoff? Would NDSU fans and school rather say "We are the 2-time defending national champions!" or "We are the defending GoDaddy.com bowl champs!" What would we as fans like to say?

Based on the numbers I've read on how schools barely break even and more likely lose money going to bowls, I'd rather stay in an environment where UNI is financially better off. Is it perfect, no? But I'm not convinced going FBS is the better move either.

In the long run, I believe the rich will get richer. The BCS will morph into it's own private entity outside the reach of the NCAA. The non-BCS schools will remain and either come back to the UNI level of FCS, or the bulk of FCS schools will be able to financially afford the jump to the new, cheaper non-BCS arm of football schools.

Couple things,

It has been linked on here before (not wanting to go digging right now) but the MAC tie-in Bowls do not have minimum ticket buys like other bowls (conference decision). The MAC also made sure that Northern Illinois was not going to take a loss on their BCS game this past year.

Also, it is not like playing on the road (or home) is a great windfall for the athletic department either. The NCAA barely covers travel expenses and if we don't sell enough tickets, we may not cover our guarantee for hosting....

[9YRPLAN]

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yes, really. I don't know if they are "scared" in the way the op meant it, but they are most definitely afraid of scheduling these games, at least more than they used to be. I don't know all the specifics but the Big XII isn't getting the name the score games out of FCS schools anymore. In the past ten years there have been a number of FCS wins over Big XII teams. Victims I know include Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana and Michigan, but still losses are losses. These programs used to be able to rely on an easy W against FCS schools, they no longer can.

Now you have teams like Wisconsin and Iowa playing more than competitive games with FCS schools to where if either team had a kicker that could kick a ball through two yellow sticks inside 40 yards (I know that WI has white sticks) they would be on the victim list too.

Are they "scared" no, probably not, but the risk of losing to an FCS team is no longer worth the reward which is a huge pay day for the home institution. Those W's are no longer promised the way they were 10-15 years ago when the 12 game schedule came out. Losing to an FCS team would be as demoralizing to a fan base and supporters as it was to sit in the UNI Dome the "day the banner fell" and we watched North Dakota compete 4 yard pass, after 4 yard pass.

Think of playing blackjack, you double down on a 9 against a 4, 5, 6. No question, every time. The risk, is worth the reward. You don't double down on a 9 vs a face card. The risk is not worth the reward.

The Big XII has simply identified that the risk is now not worth the reward anymore. Thats all.

you are not responding to the point i made, which was addressing the post that suggested that barry was wrong. barry said that FCS games are not as interesting to fans, which is accurate when you look at actual butts in the seats, ticket sales, TV ratings, etc.