South Dakota State 2pm Hobo Days

[sevelev711]

...Well the good news is that volleyball is crushing, only dropped one set in MVC play so far. And the basketball season is just a month away.

[sevelev711]

Re: Farley, I think both things can be true, I think it can be time to move on from farley, while also admitting that things will get worse before they get better if we do so. If we had an athletic department that was, you know, functional, I think it would be time to pull the trigger. But if we lose farley, we also lose the only guy who can fundraise, and it might affect the whole school, honestly.

[BCPanther]

Re: Farley, I think both things can be true, I think it can be time to move on from farley, while also admitting that things will get worse before they get better if we do so. If we had an athletic department that was, you know, functional, I think it would be time to pull the trigger. But if we lose farley, we also lose the only guy who can fundraise, and it might affect the whole school, honestly.

This is why Mark needs to be AD.

It's a fundraising position not an administrative position.

[QCPanther05]

I bet all those donors who donated hundreds of thousands or millions to the athletic department feel like suckers. This isn’t a remotely serious athletic department. The whole university is in such a tailspin right now.

[Trapped in California]

That was just an all around butt whooping.

Just sad. We have been passed by by new coaches, with athletic department departments that have a built in funding advantages that overcome the limited population bases in the Dakotas.

I pray all of those carted off the field today recover fully.

[BrockLesnar]

Wow just wow... I don't think I will recover from that game for awhile. I can't imagine what the players felt. Next up UND on Homecoming. Lord help us!

[PantherAlum09]

The guys just looked completely unprepared today. The defense is a disaster and Theo is way too quick to decide pass on those RPO's. There was a lot of open space for RB's that he just declined to accept and forced the ball into coverage multiple times today. I know Theo has a ton of skill but his decision making this year has been less than optimal.

I don't know if the secondary issues are a personnel problem, a scheme problem, or both, but it needs to change quickly. It is absolutely insane how easy it is for every qb to hit open spots in our horrible soft zone. I don't know how coaches can look at what's happening and think anything other than they have failed.

I avoided seeing a score all day so I could watch the replay, and man I wish someone would've spoiled it for me. We got a tough one next week. Let's hope the boys come back pissed off.

[in_the_stands]

Wow just wow... I don't think I will recover from that game for awhile. I can't imagine what the players felt. Next up UND on Homecoming. Lord help us!

Gotta hope that UND comes in a little flat after their big win.

[havok58]

I don't know if the secondary issues are a personnel problem, a scheme problem, or both, but it needs to change quickly. It is absolutely insane how easy it is for every qb to hit open spots in our horrible soft zone. I don't know how coaches can look at what's happening and think anything other than they have failed..

UNI’s secondary for years has been a problem, with coverage and tackling and unsportsmanlike conduct. The tackling is a player problem, as they continually try to tackle with a shoulder bump rather than wrapping a player up to at least slow them down for backup to arrive. Unsportsmanlike conduct is a player / coach issue as certain players seem to find a need to taunt an opponent after they made a routine defensive play that was expected of them. Coverage is on coaching. Opponents never seem to be worried on 2nd and long or worse 3rd and long because they know our secondary plays 5-10 yards off the receiver and leaves the middle of the field wide open for crossing routes. Over the years when an opponent is facing 3rd and 15 I’m more shocked that they don’t get a first down. That shouldn’t be an expectation for a defense.

[Trapped in California]

I think that a lot of defensive backs are going away from the wrapping up on tackles. Concerns about shoulder injuries from the tangle when hitting the ground. So I have heard now and again.

Taunting / unsportsmanlike conduct - that's a character issue. You can recruit people/athletes with crazy a talent, that are well..., crazy. High maintenance. Or you can recruit someone slightly less athletic with less drama. That's on the coaches - they usually know who they are getting as a player.

[clenz]

Just some food for thought for the "facilities and budgets don't matter" crowd

2022 budgets - meaning MUSU is still reporting a OVC budget and has committed significant money to stadium, facility, recruiting, etc. upgrades that won't reflect for 2022 (and probably until 2024 numbers are out)


Going back to 2005 - adjusted for inflation


Percent budget increase since 2005


So...uh....it's a complete coincidence that UNI's budget is essentially exactly what it was in 2005 meanwhile we are getting fully lapped by the DSUs and more than a half lap behind every other Valley school that is even remotely respectable. Surely a complete 1000000% coincidence that those schools have completely invested in facilities, training, rehab, coaches salaries, recruiting, etc. while UNI has gone "We were good 20 years ago so why can't we be good now?"

Maybe David is fixing it though. Maybe Troy and Rick didn't fund the programs properly and David has been doing much to correct it since he took over.

Well, here is the budget changes since David took over - using nubmers reported during his first full year in charge


So we've lost budget since then and the only programs worse than us are
WIU - who is close to leaving D1 all together and are leaving the MVFC/Summit for the OVC for a chance to save somethign
ISUB - who is one of the 10 worst full scholarship programs over the last 35 years and has literally zero fan support
YSU - who is the 13th most popular school in Ohio in a good year and is in a city that has been on the downside of things for decades.

Even with that - 2 of those 3 still somehow manage to fund their programs better than UNI.



You can have all the the conversations you want about Mark's schemes or how he manages clock or whatever. There isn't a coach in the world that would be given what Mark has been given for 20 years that would have done any better. I'd argue there might be 7 total coaches that can even equal what he has. I bet every single other coach you can name - especially those who would actually come to UNI - are not just below where Mark has finished, but is down there with MOSU and ISUb every single year.

The reason Mark has been as successful as he has the last 15-20 years is because he literally bleeds UNI. It is who he is as a person. He will fight no matter what for it. Any coach that doesn't have that UNI connection and history he has bolts instantly. Doesn't sell the program to recruits that have no business being here like Mark does.


Could someone other than Mark be successful? Maybe. Sure.
Before I'm willing to answer that question I'm going to add additional qualifiers - is that coach funded and **** on the same way Mark has been? Does he have a bottom 2 budget year after year after year after year? Get told he can't have home games while having to fly his teams across the country for OOC games? Do they get told they aren't allowed to recruit areas because "It cost to much"? Are they required to work under the exact stipulations Mark is? If so the answer to "Would someone else do better?" is a resounding **** no.

Is the new coach given actual recourses and training facilities? Actual rehab spaces? Actual meeting rooms? Actual salary pools for assistants? Actual travel accommodations? Actual OOC schedules that allow for success? If so, then sure they do better than Mark has the last 15 years, however, it's not because they are a better coach than Mark. It's because they were given the keys to a borderline real football program and not the 1978 Ford Pinto Mark is being forced to drive.

[BCPanther]

Just some food for thought for the "facilities and budgets don't matter" crowd

2022 budgets - meaning MUSU is still reporting a OVC budget and has committed significant money to stadium, facility, recruiting, etc. upgrades that won't reflect for 2022 (and probably until 2024 numbers are out)


Going back to 2005 - adjusted for inflation


Percent budget increase since 2005


So...uh....it's a complete coincidence that UNI's budget is essentially exactly what it was in 2005 meanwhile we are getting fully lapped by the DSUs and more than a half lap behind every other Valley school that is even remotely respectable. Surely a complete 1000000% coincidence that those schools have completely invested in facilities, training, rehab, coaches salaries, recruiting, etc. while UNI has gone "We were good 20 years ago so why can't we be good now?"

Maybe David is fixing it though. Maybe Troy and Rick didn't fund the programs properly and David has been doing much to correct it since he took over.

Well, here is the budget changes since David took over - using nubmers reported during his first full year in charge


So we've lost budget since then and the only programs worse than us are
WIU - who is close to leaving D1 all together and are leaving the MVFC/Summit for the OVC for a chance to save somethign
ISUB - who is one of the 10 worst full scholarship programs over the last 35 years and has literally zero fan support
YSU - who is the 13th most popular school in Ohio in a good year and is in a city that has been on the downside of things for decades.

Even with that - 2 of those 3 still somehow manage to fund their programs better than UNI.



You can have all the the conversations you want about Mark's schemes or how he manages clock or whatever. There isn't a coach in the world that would be given what Mark has been given for 20 years that would have done any better. I'd argue there might be 7 total coaches that can even equal what he has. I bet every single other coach you can name - especially those who would actually come to UNI - are not just below where Mark has finished, but is down there with MOSU and ISUb every single year.

The reason Mark has been as successful as he has the last 15-20 years is because he literally bleeds UNI. It is who he is as a person. He will fight no matter what for it. Any coach that doesn't have that UNI connection and history he has bolts instantly. Doesn't sell the program to recruits that have no business being here like Mark does.


Could someone other than Mark be successful? Maybe. Sure.
Before I'm willing to answer that question I'm going to add additional qualifiers - is that coach funded and **** on the same way Mark has been? Does he have a bottom 2 budget year after year after year after year? Get told he can't have home games while having to fly his teams across the country for OOC games? Do they get told they aren't allowed to recruit areas because "It cost to much"? Are they required to work under the exact stipulations Mark is? If so the answer to "Would someone else do better?" is a resounding **** no.

Is the new coach given actual recourses and training facilities? Actual rehab spaces? Actual meeting rooms? Actual salary pools for assistants? Actual travel accommodations? Actual OOC schedules that allow for success? If so, then sure they do better than Mark has the last 15 years, however, it's not because they are a better coach than Mark. It's because they were given the keys to a borderline real football program and not the 1978 Ford Pinto Mark is being forced to drive.

This is just it and laid out in real numbers. Until the systemic issues are addressed, and that's at a total university level, this is what we are if not worse regardless of who is the HC.

The golden era has been over for a long time across the department but luckily we have an amazing group of coaches that love UNI and hang around regardless of how many times promises are broken and how many times they're just flat **** on.

Enjoy the dying days because it's about to reach Evansville levels of suck after this group is gone unless we see major changes.

[clenz]

Even better - I just did some basic math on just scholarship spending to see if the little we see in increase is literally just scholarship cost

I did a breakdown of 35 Iowa players worth of scholarships and 28 out of state players worth of scholarships. I know we don't know those totals and it's just guessing BUT based on the typical make up of our rosters it felt like a good place to start.

Note: I didn't play with numbers to make a point. The first selection of numbers I did was 35/28 and I about **** myself with how scary it was

Using the scholarship breakdown above our scholarship cost in 05 would have been 875,728 and 22 would have been 1,545,418.
That is a difference of 669,690

The difference in our 2005 and 2022 FY budget was 664,536

The reason I wanted to note I didn't play with numbers is because the very first split I came up with perfectly illustrated the fact that literally the only extra dollars Mark has received to his budget is literally the minimum scholarship that has been added by the rising cost of college. That's it. Nothing more. I had a hunch that was the case, which is why I wanted to run the numbers. Yes, I realize the scholarship split very likely is different year to year and what not, but the fact that it comes out to within 5K tells me that it doesn't really matter how you split the scholarship for in/out of state students the number is going to be right there no matter what.

That also means that, dollar for dollar, Mark is actually getting less money than he was in 2005 to run a program.

[Mudrafan]

Just wow. As suspected, BOR, Harris & alums/corps not supporting the program. If it weren’t for the Dome, I think our program would have been gone years ago & I agree that when Farley finally leaves, they’ll find a way to shut us down because not enough right people care. And it will absolutely crush the other sports too

[BrockLesnar]

I believe someone said Mark's contract runs through the 2026 season. I think he would be 65 by then. That seems to be the right time for him to move on to the next thing.