UNI @ Creighton (EC's last shot at the Blue Jays)

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I watched Sieverding at Marshalltown JUCO, many times. He was on the same team as Jaacks and Price who went to Iowa. I always thought Sieverding was the best player at Marshalltown by a good margin. Indian Hills would pound on Jaacks and I think the refs were too scared of the Indian Hills players to call a foul. Jaacks would do his cry baby crap and nobody cared, Indian Hill just kept dunking it over him, I think one of the Indian Hills players at that time went on to Cinncy and played with Kenyon Martin, Indian Hills also had the guy from Australia that the NCAA wouldn't let into school because of being payed money in Australia, lol that Indian Hills team also had some monster that went into the NBA draft right away but did nothing.

JUCO ball is dirty little pleasure of mine, some of these schools roster just make you scratch your head and WTF is this guy doing playing JUCO ball in Iowa? Inidan Hills/Burlington and even Marshalltown and Southwestern have many good players. I was at a Marshalltown/Burlington game this year and the two rosters combined had 2 guys from Iowa and they never played. Marshalltown seems to enjoy South America for players, 7 footer from Brazil and a guy from Venezuala. Burlington was loaded with guys they must have grade issues because they could play.

Cam Johnson? still can't stop laughing, must be because my preception of him is mostly off the court and not on. He may have been a stud for a weekend in St. Louis but he was something else off it all the time.

[jman2004]

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Brett, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I realize it's your opinion. I'm sorry. I just think this discussion has gotten to the point where people are trying to do everything they can to keep Coleman out of any sort of spotlight, when the fact remains, he's a pretty special player.

[BCPanther]

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I agree that he is a very special player...

However, I am not sure how much we will miss him next year with Koch and Eglseder being a year older. Kind of the same way we don't seem to miss Stout as much as I thought we would...

[clenz]

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I agree that he is a very special player...

However, I am not sure how much we will miss him next year with Koch and Eglseder being a year older. Kind of the same way we don't seem to miss Stout as much as I thought we would...

The difference though comes in the fact that we had Coleman, Egleseder, and Koch back this year. We still had an established DOMINANT post player coming back. While Jordan will be very good, he isn't dominant yet, either is Koch. They both show very promising signs, but have yet to show them all the times.

If I could have JJ or Coleman back next year (to "bring the argument up to date), I would take Coleman. I love JJ as a player, he has done so much for this team this year it can't be put into words really. However, if Kwaz was healthy and Carlton was healthy to start the season what effect would JJ have had on the season? Probably not as big of one as we would like to think.

Where would this team without Coleman if he was in KA's shoes? Coleman, hate him or love him and his work ethic, brings leadership and a confidant swagger to the team that can't be replaced by the post players coming back.

I'm not 100% sold on Barz yet. He was very good in HS, but that doesn't mean anything for us over the next 3 years. Jordan will be there for us next year, and I hope Koch can become more dominant down low, and same with O'Rear.

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Sometimes it goes like this, 'The good news is we will have a lot of players coming back', 'The bad news is we have a lot of players coming back'.

[SMK4UNI]

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Many good points clenz.

The question of Egleseder and Koch not being dominant YET is because we have Coleman. Everybody that watches UNI knows who the man is. Jordan has made drastic improvements over the last month and Koch is taking it hard to the hole and at his size will be tough to guard.

As far as Barz goes, I think this kid is going to do outstanding things at UNI. I watched him play high school bball and at PTL, he is so smooth and does things without effort. How will that all transfer over to college ball? I do not know but he has such good fundamentals that it would be hard for that kid not to succeed, look at David Gruber.

And Barz has 4 years left with UNI, he redshirted this year.

[jman2004]

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Where would this team without Coleman if he was in KA's shoes? Coleman, hate him or love him and his work ethic, brings leadership and a confidant swagger to the team that can't be replaced by the post players coming back.

Precisely. We're going to miss him a lot next year. Koch and Jordan and O'Rear are going to have some stepping up to do.

[georgeW]

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It is nice to see that Randy Kraayenbrink got mentioned. Let's get Joe Green get some minutes.

[UNIAlum95]

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...look at David Gruber.

I thought of Gruber too. Great rebounder. Great scorer. Consistent play and always worked hard. Granted he was only here two years but he had a significant impact.

[Khan4Cats]

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If KA was healthy, who would you choose?
I'll take Stout in a landslide.

I'd still take Brooks to run the team. I'll stick by my assessment then and I will stick by what I have said now for going into next year. We will miss the experience at the guards more, primarily because the Valley is a guards' league. We will continue to be the deepest team in the league in the post, with or without an established "dominant" post player.

[Khan4Cats]

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I thought of Gruber too. Great rebounder. Great scorer. Consistent play and always worked hard. Granted he was only here two years but he had a significant impact.

Gruber was here three yearsand was ridiculously consistent:

12.8, 13.3, 12.1 ppg (370, 372, 374 points scored)
7.2, 7.3, 6.9 rpg (209, 203, 213 rebounds)

You knew what you were getting every time Gruber stepped on the floor.

[clenz]

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Sometimes it goes like this, 'The good news is we will have a lot of players coming back', 'The bad news is we have a lot of players coming back'.

That is a great quote, and very true

[clenz]

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Many good points clenz.

The question of Egleseder and Koch not being dominant YET is because we have Coleman. Everybody that watches UNI knows who the man is. Jordan has made drastic improvements over the last month and Koch is taking it hard to the hole and at his size will be tough to guard.

As far as Barz goes, I think this kid is going to do outstanding things at UNI. I watched him play high school bball and at PTL, he is so smooth and does things without effort. How will that all transfer over to college ball? I do not know but he has such good fundamentals that it would be hard for that kid not to succeed, look at David Gruber.

And Barz has 4 years left with UNI, he redshirted this year.

With Coleman only playing 23 minutes a game, those two have their chances to be very dominant, and they have shown that they can be, but have yet to do so every game. Koch had that amazing game early in the season where he went for 20, but has yet to come close to that level of play again. However, I do agree that having Coleman there might be making JE or Koch hold back some. There has to be some psychological thing knowing that you aren't the best or most respect post player out there. However, I would think it would make them want to work harder to prove they deserve it too.

I very much look forward to see what Koch can do with his size and ability. A SF in a PF body is a good thing to have, if used right. If only we could get my favorite player on the team, O'Rear, to grow a couple inches. Oh well

I think Barz could be very good, but I'm not expecting a lot out of him next year, which is why I would rather have Coleman than JJ next year. He can work the rotation much like O'Rear is doing this year. I realize that can't happen but, we were talking about the who would you rather topic. Anyway back to Barz. I've seen so much video on the kid that I know he is very very good. I work for IowaPreps.com, I've seen archived footage of all of these Iowa kids, and I know we are in good hands. I think by the time that Barz has gotten halfway through is RSoph season, he be very good. Which would set up a great rotation with JE, Lucas, Barz, Koch, and Pehl (who will be a RFrosh).

[dustin86]

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Precisely. We're going to miss him a lot next year. Koch and Jordan and O'Rear are going to have some stepping up to do.

I think Jordan is going to be the one who steps up and brings the intensity down low next year. You watch him play now he has some swagger right now and he is only a sophmore right now. He plays with alot of heart and gets very pumped up during the game. Atleast that is what i have noticed

[jman2004]

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We will miss the experience at the guards more, primarily because the Valley is a guards' league.

But what we lose in guards, we're getting back. I see your argument with Brooks, but not with Jared. Jared's not even a true point guard. So losing him next season and replacing him with TWO true point guards is definitely NOT going to hurt us.

After Jared we're losing Viet. As much as I love the kid, we're just going to be missing his senior leadership. We've got Carlton and Travis to bring that back up.

Last year going into this year, I agree with you. We miss Brooks probably more than we miss Stout. I don't know, that's even arguable but I can at least see your point. This year going into next, I can't see it.

Jared will be replaced by Kwadzo and Moran while Adam's senior leadership will be replaced by Travis and hopefully Carlton's. Then we've got Haak and Kerwin and Montgomery all ready to play and that have valuable experience.

With Coleman, we lose a ton. Jordan and Koch ALREADY get their minutes. I agree with you, that removing EC from the mix will maybe allow these two to break out of their shell (Jordan is already doing so little by little). But since Jordan and Koch already get their minutes, we can't count them as someone to "replace" EC. We're left with Barz and O'Rear.

While I think those two will have nice careers here at UNI, next year is not the year we're probably going to see it out of them. Neither can replace Eric's athletic ability, leadership, and intensity.

Next year, we will be rich with guards. We will NOT be deep with post players. That's why HANDS DOWN we will miss Eric. A LOT.