Shox v Cats

[jman2004]

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Reed is a liablity when it comes to ball handling - Dunham needed to be in there last night and I thought did a nice job. I don't remember him losing the game for us.

Dunham inbounded the ball to the corner 4 times in a row and then conveniently got out of the way because he was scared to death to get a pass back to him. Yes, Dunham (along with many of the other guards) were very instrumental in our near-collapse last night.

No one lost the game for us last night, but why give Dunham (a freshman) the minutes he's getting when he's doing nothing with them, when we have a much more explosive player (Reed, a junior) sitting on the bench. Reed's ready to play. It's time.

[Panther-Sheik]

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[QUOTE=r54uni;116011]Reed is a liablity when it comes to ball handling - QUOTE]

On what do you base this statement? He is the only one taking the ball to the hoop consistently and seems to get a heckuva lot more respect from the defense than our other guards. And, he has yet to get enough minutes to feel as comfortable on the court as Dunham should.

[blien]

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i agree with clenz and panther dude. we made the 5 subs and things went downhlll from there...dunham is like montgomery-started out the season ok, but needs to grow still...Reed was hot his stat lines show more in 8 minutes then dunhams 22..i recall dunham throwing a pass to the bench as a turnover....

[BCPanther]

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Sorry to tack on three days later, but I haven't been able to post...

The thing that stuck out the most to me was that it was our second group that extended the lead in the second half. They came in up 3 and left the floor up ten. That is really a good sign for the future of this program. I really liked what Reed, Montgomery, and O'Rear brought to the floor especially.

I also have to get something off my chest. Why are we going overboard with the Adam Viet love. Did anybody else notice that Jake had him at a spot in the press break that you would usually put your worst ball handler? Sure, he made the big three, but he also had 5, count 'em 5, turnovers and at least three of those were in crunch time. We won Wednesday night in spite of him, rather than with him. I get a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach when I see him jog to the scorer's table because I know something bad is going to happen with him in the game...

[clenz]

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So Veit, who has made plays in more than one game to win them for us isn't worthy of being on the court at crunch time?

[BCPanther]

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I will give you the good defensive play against Illinois State, but the three turnovers he had at the end of regulation are what caused the overtime. Without those we win the game in regulation...

[TommyT]

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Let's stay focused here PN'ers. We have an opportunity to knock off a ranked team that's won 4 in a row on us in our own building Saturday afternoon!

Let's work on our press break, defending the dribble-drive and the 3-point shot, boxing out and ATTACKING on offense and get a "W" on Saturday!!!

GO PANTHERS!!!

I can't agree more. We need to take this one from Drake so that we KNOW we can beat them going into the MVC tourney.

[jman2004]

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I also have to get something off my chest. Why are we going overboard with the Adam Viet love. Did anybody else notice that Jake had him at a spot in the press break that you would usually put your worst ball handler? Sure, he made the big three, but he also had 5, count 'em 5, turnovers and at least three of those were in crunch time. We won Wednesday night in spite of him, rather than with him. I get a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach when I see him jog to the scorer's table because I know something bad is going to happen with him in the game...

Okay, I apologize in advance, this could get long and heated, but I PROMISE, there's some good stuff in here, bear with me . . .

Brett, I would account each and every one of those turnovers to Jacobson. Not once did he go back to the drawing board and change up the way we squared off against their press. Our players have to be put in a position to succeed and the other night, they weren't. Our press break was pathetic. It was as if a junior high coach was calling the shots. A press should be easy to break. That's on the coach.

And I don't get where any of this is coming from. Going into the game Wednesday night, Viet had the best Assist to Turnover ratio on the team. If you've got a bad feeling in your stomach, it's because you don't like him and you need to get over it. He's come up HUGE for us in multiple games this season. And every time you come on to knock him down, I'll be here to put things into perspective.

Lets take him against Kerwin. Look at these stats.

Kerwin: Played in 25 games and started 17 of them. Played a total of 601 minutes for us this season (averages 24 a game). Shoots 38% from the field. Has 19 rebounds, 31 assists, has scored 96 points (21 of which have come from the free throw line at the end of games), and has 19 turnovers.

Adam: Played in 22 games and started 9 of them. Played a total of 403 minutes for us this season (averages 18 a game). Shoots 45% from the field. Has 32 rebounds, 21 assists, has scored 104 points (only 14 coming from the charity stripe), and only has 11 turnovers (5 of which you mentioned came in one game).

Tell me again why Kerwin needs to be out there over Adam? Or anyone else for that matter? I'm not going to show you Brown's stats or Montgomery's stats, but you'll find much of the same. Adam is doing WAY MORE than Kerwin in almost 200 LESS minutes this season.

Kerwin will be a great player, I enjoy watching him and he has contributed nicely this season. But he looks like a freshman. He plays timid. Viet plays with heart. He gives 200% each time out there because he knows the general Panther public thinks like you do about him.

When the game is on the line and we need a big shot or play, I'd trust the senior playing with heart over the timid freshman any day of the week.

Viet's come up HUGE for us this season. Stop trying to take that away from him. He's a senior for crying out loud.

[BCPanther]

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You can't have it both ways-

You can't blame the negatives on someone else and give Viet all the credit for the positives.

I don't want to turn this into a p*ssing match, but leaving out the defensive play against Illinois State and the shot on Wednesday night, what games has he made a huge, game changing difference in?

[jman2004]

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I don't want it both ways. Viet has his downfalls. But I think HIS particular positives far outweigh some of the other guards' positives on our team at this moment.

You claim to think the ONLY thing he's done for us this season was swipe the ball away against ILL ST. Since I just showed you Viet's stats vs. Kerwin's (and hopefully you saw that Viet is outperforming him in almost every category OTHER than playing time) I'll put it back on you.

Name me some players that HAVE made a huge game changing difference at play Viet's position? Montgomery? Kerwin? Come on . . . Viet has all but earned the LITTLE BIT of praise he gets from me and a few others on here.

[BCPanther]

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Let's face it, neither one of us is going to convince the other. We both have pretty strong feelings on this subject and I don't want to start something that leads to 3 pages of bashing everybody on the team...

Let's just agree to disagree and move on with our lives!

[jman2004]

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I'll agree to disagree for now, but just know that you really haven't brought much to the table here to defend your strong feelings on this subject. I don't like people knocking the guy. He doesn't put himself out there for that. He's a pretty reserved player.

And I don't understand why you have such strong feelings. Did Viet wrong you somewhere down the line?