The Valley is a 3 Bid League...

[jman2004]

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Illinois State has played great down the stretch. They had one bad game.

[06panther10]

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Personally I don't like the "how did they do in their last ten games" argument. I think you should get a bid to the tourny based on what you did for the entire season, not how good you did down the stretch. I think ISU's overall resume is good enough to get in. They should get in. But I dont think that they are going to.

[UNIAlum95]

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The MVC will get 1 at-large bid with IlSU getting in. They won't get a good draw but their play down the stretch will get them in. The loss to Drake wasn't pretty but I think that will help Drake more than it will hurt IlSu.

[UNIAlum95]

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Personally I don't like the "how did they do in their last ten games" argument.

Whether you like it or not, that is something the committee uses to select at-large teams. They don't want slumping teams.

[06panther10]

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I know it IS a factor. I just dont agree with it.

[PantherRex]

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It will be a total crock if the Horizon league gets 2 bids and we only get ONE. I think both leagues are VERY deserving of 2 bids at least a piece. But in the Horizon League, you know that Butler and St. Mary's are in no matter what. However Illinois State's resume looks just as good, if not BETTER than St. Mary's.

You lose credibility for all of your arguments when you say things like this.

St. Mary's is in the WCC, and the Horizon is a lock for only 1 bid if Butler wins its tournament.

[06panther10]

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I dont see the horizon gettin anyone besides butler. Unless, of course, another school wins the tourny. Yeah jman, you are waaay off on the St. Mary's deal. lol

[jman2004]

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You lose credibility for all of your arguments when you say things like this.

St. Mary's is in the WCC, and the Horizon is a lock for only 1 bid if Butler wins its tournament.

Sorry. You are correct. My argument was for the WCC all along, not the Horizon. I misspoke.

The WCC has Gonzaga and St. Mary's. How can a conference like the WCC get two bids, when we can't? How come St. Mary's has the cred to get an at-large birth when Illinois State doesn't? That's what I don't like. That's what I don't think is fair.

I was all screwed up though. Never meant Horizon. Never meant Butler actually. Sorry.

[06panther10]

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I can see what you are saying there jman. Very similar resumes with all the pub going to St. Marys.

[Panther789]

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First of all, its not entirely clear that St. Mary's will get in while Illinois State will not.

2nd of all, St. Mary's has 2 wins over top 50 opponents, while Illinois State has zero. Depending on how things shake out during the conference tournaments, Illinois State may not have a single win against an NCAA tournament team. I would guess you would be hard-pressed to come up with many at-large teams who entered the tourney with zero wins against the field.

[ceaser150]

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Sorry. You are correct. My argument was for the WCC all along, not the Horizon. I misspoke.

The WCC has Gonzaga and St. Mary's. How can a conference like the WCC get two bids, when we can't? How come St. Mary's has the cred to get an at-large birth when Illinois State doesn't? That's what I don't like. That's what I don't think is fair.

I was all screwed up though. Never meant Horizon. Never meant Butler actually. Sorry.

As a whole, the WCC is VERY weak after the top 3. But St. Mary's has defeated Drake and Oregon, whereas ISU has lost to Drake on 3 tries and lost on a neutral court to Indiana.

[jman2004]

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As a whole, the WCC is VERY weak after the top 3. But St. Mary's has defeated Drake and Oregon, whereas ISU has lost to Drake on 3 tries and lost on a neutral court to Indiana.

St. Mary's also got destroyed by Southern Illinois this season.

I'm sorry, I'm drugged up on cold medicine today and doing a lot of my thinking out loud on here. I think both are very deserving, I just feel that someone is going to get screwed come selection Sunday because of teams like Ohio State and Syracuse.

[ceaser150]

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St. Mary's also got destroyed by Southern Illinois this season.

I'm sorry, I'm drugged up on cold medicine today and doing a lot of my thinking out loud on here. I think both are very deserving, I just feel that someone is going to get screwed come selection Sunday because of teams like Ohio State and Syracuse.

Fair enough. I agree completely. OSU will probably get bounced by MSU in the 1st round of the Big 10 tourney so that will take care of them.

[06panther10]

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I think it is a joke that OSU is even getting considered. They have not beaten anyone all year long. Syracuse, on the other hand, has some really good wins along with some very bad losses, so im not sure about them.

[Matt Trump]

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its tOSU or fOSU for the Buckeyes.