Hey Jake...

[williebat]

Re: Hey Jake...

if they're willing to become an aggressive offensive unit.

we have been waiting for three years for this to happen. It happened for a half last night. Maybe that is improvement.

[cydave]

Re: Hey Jake...

The biggest demise in athletic history? Let's not get dramatic and step away from the ledge.

We shot, what, 15 percent from 3 pt last night? If TWO of them fall, we win the game. A lot were OPEN looks. It happens. Kwazdo said it best in the post game press conference:
"Some nights you've got it, some nights you don't. That's basketball."

We should have beat ISU - but let's put the pitchforks away for now.

I disagree with this point. The same thing could have gone for us, we shot an even worse % from 3 point last night, and we came in with a higher 3 pt %. If we would have made a couple of 3's we would have ran away with the game. So, using an argument such as that, just doesn't make sense.

I never said we were at a peak. We weren't at a peak under Mac, either. We have reached a leveling point. (So has the entire Valley, in my opinion). I think we have built more depth and have more all-around talent than we have had in the past. We just need that talent to actually perform on a consistent basis.

Iowa State's team reminded me a lot of UNI under Mac. One player (Brackins) taking nearly 50% of the shots (Benny J) a couple of role players, and almost no depth.

We are similar but not the same. We don't have an established "go-to" guy, but I also think we have more players capable of putting up big numbers.

That's true for this game, because our other shots weren't falling. If we were hitting the 3's, our shots would have been a lot more spread around. It's about having more than 1 weapon. When one doesn't work, use the other. And I think we have a lot of depth. We have 3-4 big guys that can get some reps, Brackins, Thompson, JVB, and Hamilton. And we have a lot of shooters, Diante, Wes, Huluska, Lucca, Peterson, JVB can all hit the 3 (they are just inconsistant, like last night)

[BCPanther]

Re: Hey Jake...

Sorry, we are at .500 the last three years in conference and against BCS confrences, not below. 6 seed = bottom half of the conference. Sure, we made a drop after Miller, but the program wasn't even remotely close to where it was when Mac left. I understand that we are in a better place right now than where we were when we played in front of 100 people in the dome and won 10 games.

Everyone thinks I am crazy, tell me a bigger decline in Panther Athletics History?

Women's Softball won a national title in the early 80s...

[Panther Cat]

Re: Hey Jake...

We also ran a play that gave Koch a great look at a 3 that would have tied it in OT. He missed. That was the same play we ran 3 years ago against SIU that Grant Stout hit the shot to send it to OT.

Good eye, I noticed that too. We executed that well, just didn't make the shot. If teams play man on us we have so many set plays that can get us good looks. But it's the zones that have killed us. We need to drive and kick or at least get a post touch to make the defense respond.

Kerwin played pretty well last night. He is just not aggresive at all right now. In HS his game was very similar to Benny J's with is off balance shots and creating space. I think he's just lacking some confidence, he almost looks like he doesn't want the ball. Hopefully that big shot will get him some more confidence and start looking for his shot.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Hey Jake...

1. Can you produce evidence of this?

2. You miss the entire point of the RPI. It takes into account your strength of schedule, as well as your winning percentage. If your RPI goes down, it is not a valid response to say, "well the whole league is down." If your SOS goes down, and you win more games, you can achieve the same RPI. Thats the whole point. Its easier to win more games when your SOS is down.

Your SOS is based off of more than half of your schedule being your conference. If all of the other teams in the conference are down, you're strength of schedule will be down.

As for RPI. Last year the Valley had 3 teams inside the top 50. Drake was the leader at 12. In 2006-07, there were 4 teams in the top 50, led by SIU at 9. In 2005-06, there were 6 teams, more than half of the league, in the top 50 RPI, and they were actually all inside the top 40.

No you can't just win more games and increase your RPI. Look at the SWAC, MEAC, etc. conferences. Morgan State last year won the MEAC while winning21 games. Their RPI was 133. 5 spots lower than ours.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: Hey Jake...

A bigger decline is going from 7 straight Conference championships to not even going to the playoffs for 4 years while Dunbar was coach. At least in your book it should be. Not me because we were still finishing above 500 with Dunbar just not winning the games we needed to to win the conference.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Hey Jake...

A bigger decline is going from 7 straight Conference championships to not even going to the playoffs for 4 years while Dunbar was coach. At least in your book it should be. Not me because we were still finishing above 500 with Dunbar just not winning the games we needed to to win the conference.

True, that would constitute a total collapse in comparison to the two years with Jacobson following McDermott.

[UNI MadCat]

Re: Hey Jake...

I watched the game last night while listening to Rima and Boyle and Coach Boyle did a great job of verbalizing what I've been thinking for a long time now. When teams play zone vs. the Panthers (if I was an opposing coach that's what I'd do too) we are satisfied with throwing the ball around the perimeter for 30 seconds and then jacking up a 3-ball.

If you taped the game, go back and watch the possessions where UNI scored vs. man and zone and most of the shots made came from dribble penetration earlier in the shot clock. It came when UNI was being aggressive.

Coach Boyle even said he was sorry for being redundant and saying it over and over. But it needed to be said. Our guys have the ability to score. They can get into the lane on the dribble. They need to be in "attack mode" ALL of the time.

I didnt listen to the game but there were times when they flashed to Jake on TV and you could see KB and GR in the background and I could almost tell he was being critical -- which I'm glad he's willing to do. My thought was, does Jake actually hear that? I'm sure is too focused on the game but lets be honest, its not exactly loud in the Mac... I would think he would have to hear something. I consider KB to be a pretty solid basketball mind, and if he notices something and is critical of it, dont you think that BJ should be noticing it too?

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Hey Jake...

I didnt listen to the game but there were times when they flashed to Jake on TV and you could see KB and GR in the background and I could almost tell he was being critical -- which I'm glad he's willing to do. My thought was, does Jake actually hear that? I'm sure is too focused on the game but lets be honest, its not exactly loud in the Mac... I would think he would have to hear something. I consider KB to be a pretty solid basketball mind, and if he notices something and is critical of it, dont you think that BJ should be noticing it too?

On that note. Where was Kyle Green last night? I know he tore his achilles last week. Did he have surgery and then is not allowed on the sidelines? He is usually the one in Jake's ear the way Jake used to be for Mac.

[FerociousCat]

Re: Hey Jake...

Zone offense & establishing a set rotation...both issues last year.

Both shouldn't be an issue this year with the abundance of guards...yet they still are.

[Panther789]

Re: Hey Jake...

Your SOS is based off of more than half of your schedule being your conference. If all of the other teams in the conference are down, you're strength of schedule will be down.

As for RPI. Last year the Valley had 3 teams inside the top 50. Drake was the leader at 12. In 2006-07, there were 4 teams in the top 50, led by SIU at 9. In 2005-06, there were 6 teams, more than half of the league, in the top 50 RPI, and they were actually all inside the top 40.

No you can't just win more games and increase your RPI. Look at the SWAC, MEAC, etc. conferences. Morgan State last year won the MEAC while winning21 games. Their RPI was 133. 5 spots lower than ours.

I meant can you produce evidence that the gap between 5/6 and the next few has widened. I wasn't clear the first time. My fault. I am certainly not disputing that the MVC's RPI was worse last year than the year before. That is obvious.

Obviously, the RPI is a sliding scale. The more your schedule weakens, the more games you have to win to maintain your RPI.

Nobody suggested that it was impossible for a 21 win team to have a worse RPI than us, and the only thing that proves is that a team with a schedule as bad as Morgan State has to win more than 21 games to have an RPI better than 133. Nothing more.

[run&blade]

Re: Hey Jake...

The biggest demise in athletic history? Let's not get dramatic and step away from the ledge.

We shot, what, 15 percent from 3 pt last night? If TWO of them fall, we win the game. A lot were OPEN looks. It happens. Kwazdo said it best in the post game press conference:
"Some nights you've got it, some nights you don't. That's basketball."

We should have beat ISU - but let's put the pitchforks away for now.

ROFLMAO we have heard that for two years running 'Some nights you've got it, some nights you don't, That's basketball'. If the game was that simple nobody would need a coach or everybody could be a coach. IMO hearing players and coaches say that is BS, losers say that. But the ball on the floor and get to the rim, if they can't do it on their own then set some screens to help them.

' Well fart, they are playing zone tonight, start chucking and good luck boys '.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: Hey Jake...

If you guys don't care for the team get outta here. Don't come to the games. I would rather have 2000 fans there who really care about the team and the coaches and the players than 7000 when 5000 of them don't give a crap except when the team is "good"

[Panther Cat]

Re: Hey Jake...

On that note. Where was Kyle Green last night? I know he tore his achilles last week. Did he have surgery and then is not allowed on the sidelines? He is usually the one in Jake's ear the way Jake used to be for Mac.

I'm not for sure on this but if he wasn't there my guess is he was on the road recruiting. Assistants will miss games every once in awhile so they can see a certain recruit play.

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Hey Jake...

ROFLMAO we have heard that for two years running 'Some nights you've got it, some nights you don't, That's basketball'. If the game was that simple nobody would need a coach or everybody could be a coach. IMO hearing players and coaches say that is BS, losers say that. But the ball on the floor and get to the rim, if they can't do it on their own then set some screens to help them.

' Well fart, they are playing zone tonight, start chucking and good luck boys '.

Apparently you should be the coach then. Sounds like you're making it that simple.... just put the ball on the floor and get to the rim....okay, Naismith, the job is yours, have at it.