Hey Jake...

[panthertrack]

Re: Hey Jake...

Jeg, what I said was that it was a little early to call this the biggest collapse ever. We haven't even started the Valley yet and people are calling for heads when we lose to ISU.

We lost last night because we couldn't figure out a way to cover Brackins, who was playing the best ball he has ever played in the post (his career high of 33 was at Baylor when he was playing guard and hit like 8 three pointers, according to the kid from the Daily sitting next to me.) Why didn't we double down more on him? Heck, Brackins himself said he was shocked he didn't see many double teams.

We lost last night because we missed a ton of open looks and we settled for jumpers instead of pounding the ball down and then kicking it back out if they doubled down. If they don't double down, I trust Jordan or Koch to go up against Brackins and get him in foul trouble, which definitely would have changed the scope of the game.

Bottom line: we won't win very many games shooting 33 percent from the field - or shooting 18 percent from 3pt, especially when almost HALF of your shots come from there (32 of 71 total attempts were from 3pt.)

Is it a coaching problem? I don't know. Ben can't shoot for the guys, you know.

One thing I was curious and didn't know if anyone else caught it... with 2 minutes to go, Ben burned the last TO.

WHY?

[Panther789]

Re: Hey Jake...

I remember going to games in the Dome a "few" years ago....................you could throw a rock in any direction and not hit anybody!!!! That was some ugly basketball!!!! The level of basketball today is light years ahead of what it used to be.

I dont think anyone has suggested this is the worst team in UNI history.

Someone said this is the biggest collapse in the history of UNI athletics.

It's not a difficult distinction.

Someone could say the Rays had the greatest 1-year turnaround in baseball history and a couple of people on here would yell: "What, how can you say the Rays are the best team ever, they didnt win the world series." Khan might even deny that the Rays improved.

[panthertrack]

Re: Hey Jake...

Were you there last night? There were a ton of students there? What do you want from us, honestly!

Yeah, Griff's response kind of puzzled me. It looked to me like the student turnout was spectacular.

[Panther789]

Re: Hey Jake...

Is it a coaching problem? I don't know. Ben can't shoot for the guys, you know.

Roy Williams and Coach K dont shoot for their players either, so this point you and others are making really doesn't get us very far.

[joecooll6]

Re: Hey Jake...

Hey Jake....

Dont make it bad, take a sad song and make it better.

[Da Hog]

Re: Hey Jake...

In college, I think we have to allow the coaches 3 to 4 years to build their program, and expect BIG results in years 4-5. You have to get players for your system and build them together. Not build players together and mold them to your system.

I havent followed UNI basketball for that long, but I think the coach needs this year and next. And if its not better by this time next season, he ought to be tossed then.

[Panther789]

Re: Hey Jake...

In college, I think we have to allow the coaches 3 to 4 years to build their program, and expect BIG results in years 4-5. You have to get players for your system and build them together. Not build players together and mold them to your system.

You have to look at each situation case by case. There's a big difference between taking over a program that had an opening because its coach took a bigger job, and taking over a program because the last coach got canned.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: Hey Jake...

7-4 is not the bottom of the grand canyon. Ask Indiana State what that is like.

18-13 or 18-14 is not the bottom of the grand canyon either.

I have stated the greatest collapse was going from 7 straight conference titles to 4 years of no playoffs. Now I don't consider that even a very ridiculous collapse either, but what is currently going on is no worse than that. A 5-6 year in 2002 was bad, but that turned around quickly too.

If we stay the same I will have no complaint winning 18 games again. But like I said if we win 10-12 at some point under Jake we may want to reevaluate where we are going. But until that happens lets just see where this season goes as we are only 7 games into it right now.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Re: Hey Jake...

Roy Williams and Coach K dont shoot for their players either, so this point you and others are making really doesn't get us very far.

Are you comparing the caliber of players we are getting to the caliber at Duke and UNC? Just asking for some clarification here.

[Panther789]

Re: Hey Jake...

Are you comparing the caliber of players we are getting to the caliber at Duke and UNC? Just asking for some clarification here.

Of course not.

He said that Jake can't shoot for his players. The same is true for every program in America, so the statement he and others have made is pointless.

[Catmandoo]

Re: Hey Jake...

I'm disapointed in the loss, but let's look at things glass half full for once.

1) Fantastic student turnout last night! Keep coming back, please!!
2) This team, to me, is much more enjoyable to watch than the past two years, especially with Kajo and Moran. It's still not pretty basketball, but it is easier to watch.
3) The future looks fantastic. Next year we lose Brown and gain Sonnen, Morrison, Pehl, lil Koch, Rodenburg for a full year. Plus the rest of this year's team gains experience, strength, etc. Wow!
4) If just one more shot falls in regulation last night everyone would be praising Jake and having a grand old time instead of all this *****ing.

[Panther Cat]

Re: Hey Jake...

I'm disapointed in the loss, but let's look at things glass half full for once.

1) Fantastic student turnout last night! Keep coming back, please!!
2) This team, to me, is much more enjoyable to watch than the past two years, especially with Kajo and Moran. It's still not pretty basketball, but it is easier to watch.
3) The future looks fantastic. Next year we lose Brown and gain Sonnen, Morrison, Pehl, lil Koch, Rodenburg for a full year. Plus the rest of this year's team gains experience, strength, etc. Wow!
4) If just one more shot falls in regulation last night everyone would be praising Jake and having a grand old time instead of all this *****ing.

I agree. Some people are optimist and others are pesimest. I've read some studies where optimistic people are supposed to live longer, so I'm happy .

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Hey Jake...

I dont think anyone has suggested this is the worst team in UNI history.

Someone said this is the biggest collapse in the history of UNI athletics.

It's not a difficult distinction.

Someone could say the Rays had the greatest 1-year turnaround in baseball history and a couple of people on here would yell: "What, how can you say the Rays are the best team ever, they didnt win the world series." Khan might even deny that the Rays improved.

Oh good, you put words in my mouth for me. Lovely. Do I get to play now?

So, if the Rays next season only finish with 85 wins and miss the playoffs, 789 will say that they have gone into a tailspin of decline.

That was fun.








By the way, the Rays improvement was remarkable, and probably a year early, but not unexpected. They finally ditched their early franchise policies of signing aging veterans (Canseco, Boggs, McGriff,...) and decided to go with their youngsters. Even trading key youngsters for valuable pieces, ie. Delmon Young to Minnesota for Garza (great pick-up) and Bartlett (solid defender allowing Upton to move to OF). They should be good again next year, this team is much like the A's of the early 2000's with young talent both in pitching and offense. And I don't think this was statistically the greatest one year turn around in baseball (I think the 1991 Braves hold that mark) but for a franchise that had NEVER had a winning season, this was pretty dang remarkable in its own right, even without the #'s title or a WS title (Atlanta didn't win either).

[bobsboy84]

Re: Hey Jake...

I'm disapointed in the loss, but let's look at things glass half full for once.

1) Fantastic student turnout last night! Keep coming back, please!!
2) This team, to me, is much more enjoyable to watch than the past two years, especially with Kajo and Moran. It's still not pretty basketball, but it is easier to watch.
3) The future looks fantastic. Next year we lose Brown and gain Sonnen, Morrison, Pehl, lil Koch, Rodenburg for a full year. Plus the rest of this year's team gains experience, strength, etc. Wow!
4) If just one more shot falls in regulation last night everyone would be praising Jake and having a grand old time instead of all this *****ing.

Wow, what an inspiration; I love you Catmandoo. If you are under 30 and a guy, will you marry one of my daughters? If you are under 30 and a gal, will you marry one of my sons? Jk, age doesn't really matter.

[Purrrrrfect]

Re: Hey Jake...

Were you there last night? There were a ton of students there? What do you want from us, honestly!

I was there actually for once. albeit, by these goons who kept shooting a cop with paper airplanes. What are we 10? My 3 year old seems more mature.

I think you and others took it out of context. Last nights crowd was ahmazing! However, it is much like the Iowa game last year. Where we coulda shoulda won and didn't. The fanbase, especially in students seemed to drop. So therefore, I was comparing and said 'just hafta wait and see".