For Those Who Have Placed Mac on a Pedestal...

[unidizzle]

How many MVC regular season championships did he win?... none
He only won 1 MVC tournament (barely in OT).
They would not have made the NCAA tourney had they not got the auto bid that year.
His teams in 05 and 06 were bubble teams up until selection sunday.
If we had not beaten Bucknell in the bracketbusters in 06 (thank goodness for an extra long clock for Crawford to make that shot) would we have gotten in?

I loved Mac as a coach as much as anyone, but he was just a few breaks away from MAYBE never getting to the NCAAs. It is tough for a lot of you to swallow but I really think that we need to give Jake much more slack than what he has gotten since he has taken over the program. I think he is bringing in the right kids to create a very solid program here at UNI. Lets see what they do with the next 10 games. They have had plenty of time to gel and Jake should know what he is getting out his players. If the team is not playing good basketball at the end of this year... then we should start to worry.

[jegbomb52]

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Funny, maybe if Jacobson's teams would have made those breaks the way Mac's teams did you wouldn't have Panthernation calling for his head. This is a stupid argument. You cannot clap breaks to happen. You have to set up plays / defense. Not clap.

[Panther789]

Re: For Those Who Have Placed Mac on a Pedestal...

How many MVC regular season championships did he win?... none
He only won 1 MVC tournament (barely in OT).
They would not have made the NCAA tourney had they not got the auto bid that year.
His teams in 05 and 06 were bubble teams up until selection sunday.
If we had not beaten Bucknell in the bracketbusters in 06 (thank goodness for an extra long clock for Crawford to make that shot) would we have gotten in?

I loved Mac as a coach as much as anyone, but he was just a few breaks away from MAYBE never getting to the NCAAs. It is tough for a lot of you to swallow but I really think that we need to give Jake much more slack than what he has gotten since he has taken over the program. I think he is bringing in the right kids to create a very solid program here at UNI. Lets see what they do with the next 10 games. They have had plenty of time to gel and Jake should know what he is getting out his players. If the team is not playing good basketball at the end of this year... then we should start to worry.

As far as your first paragraph goes, I know. Man that guy was lucky. It just goes to show ya, a couple of breaks dont go your way, and all of the sudden your RPI is in the 170's.

As far as your second paragraph, I hope you are right.

[Panther789]

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I love how people complain about past successes. It's so productive and never a slap in the face to the effort put forth by the players on those teams.

I realize that you're trying to be suportive of the current coaching staff...but that can be accomplished without bashing the past.

Very well said.

[bobsboy84]

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I remember a few years back when Farley was trying to explain the difference between a 5-6 record and a 9-2/10-1 season. Very fine line between the two outcomes. Maybe, 6-10 plays over the course of the year can make the difference. Story is true of all sports, IMO.

[Khan4Cats]

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I remember a few years back when Farley was trying to explain the difference between a 5-6 record and a 9-2/10-1 season. Very fine line between the two outcomes. Maybe, 6-10 plays over the course of the year can make the difference. Story is true of all sports, IMO.

That doesn't make any sense to many on this board. I'm sure they always make every play that makes a difference in the computer games they play.

[TH1974]

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This is the dumbest thread ever. McDermott was the best coach UNI has ever had.

[jegbomb52]

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Of that infamous 5-6 season:

1 game was won by a 57 yard field goal at the end of the game (Cal Poly)
1 game was won by a 5-5 field goal performance in which we won 15-13 (@ YSU)
1 game was won by a 60 yard field goal at the end of the game (SMS)

That is one Billy Halgren away from a 2-9 season.

[jman2004]

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Close plays go both ways. Jegbomb just showed that.

In the end, it all averages out. You'll lose close games over the course of a season. You'll win close games over the course of a season. Every team in the country can say that.

That is why when the dust settles, "wins" matter. Now THAT is a tough pill for many to swallow because it's nice and often easy to instead think of "what might have been". But in the end, close plays like these go both ways and that is why "wins" count. That's why in many instances, they're the only things that count.

Like it or not, it is what it is.

[9YRPLAN]

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Funny, maybe if Jacobson's teams would have made those breaks the way Mac's teams did you wouldn't have Panthernation calling for his head. This is a stupid argument. You cannot clap breaks to happen. You have to set up plays / defense. Not clap.

if mac's teams didnt have jacobson, jacobson's team would be better than Mac's

[jman2004]

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I guess it doesn't matter to me if the game is "close" or "a blow-out". If UNI won 15 games and a National Title next year by one point each game, would someone get on here and say, "Well, this team wasn't very good...they were just 5 fg from being 0-15!"

Exactly. Which is why "win" total is really all we can go off of.

[jordana33]

Re: For Those Who Have Placed Mac on a Pedestal...

How many MVC regular season championships did he win?... none
He only won 1 MVC tournament (barely in OT).
They would not have made the NCAA tourney had they not got the auto bid that year.
His teams in 05 and 06 were bubble teams up until selection sunday.
If we had not beaten Bucknell in the bracketbusters in 06 (thank goodness for an extra long clock for Crawford to make that shot) would we have gotten in?

I loved Mac as a coach as much as anyone, but he was just a few breaks away from MAYBE never getting to the NCAAs. It is tough for a lot of you to swallow but I really think that we need to give Jake much more slack than what he has gotten since he has taken over the program. I think he is bringing in the right kids to create a very solid program here at UNI. Lets see what they do with the next 10 games. They have had plenty of time to gel and Jake should know what he is getting out his players. If the team is not playing good basketball at the end of this year... then we should start to worry.

Who the hell cares how much those games got one by?!?!?! Only thing that matters is Mac's teams won, and Jake's dont.

[TH1974]

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I guess it doesn't matter to me if the game is "close" or "a blow-out". If UNI won 15 games and a National Title next year by one point each game, would someone get on here and say, "Well, this team wasn't very good...they were just 5 fg from being 0-15!"

They could also lose by one point each game and be 24 points away from 12-0.

[jegbomb52]

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Who ever thinks that the close games even out are completely wrong. Good teams win close games. Panther track "you are just wrong" wrong.

What do you suppose the Panther football team's record is over the last 5 years in games decided by 7 points or less? I bet its a whole heck of a lot better than .500.

[TH1974]

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Who ever thinks that the close games even out are completely wrong. Good teams win close games. Panther track "you are just wrong" wrong.

I think for the most part, that's correct. The 'close games even out' argument may be somewhat applicable in basketball, though. Moreso than in football, anyway.