For Those Who Have Placed Mac on a Pedestal...

[jman2004]

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I think for the most part, that's correct. The 'close games even out' argument may be somewhat applicable in basketball, though. Moreso than in football, anyway.

Sorry, I'm the one that made that comment (I don't think "panthertrack" has even commented in this thread) and I'm in a basketball frame of mind right now.

I agree with jegbomb, good teams find ways to win close games. I still think that good teams can have crappy things happen to them and find themselves losing close games though.

You could probably find ten instances last season in basketball that IF they would've gone our way, we would've won the game. But you could also probably find ten instances that went our way and if they would not have, we would've ended up losing the game.

That's what I meant by "evening" out.

[Khan4Cats]

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Who ever thinks that the close games even out are completely wrong. Good teams win close games. Panther track "you are just wrong" wrong.

What do you suppose the Panther football team's record is over the last 5 years in games decided by 7 points or less? I bet its a whole heck of a lot better than .500.

Does that mean that this years' football team was not a "good" team? They were 2-2 in games decided by 7 points or less.

A better statement would be that the really good teams don't put themselves into the position where something crazy could happen, especially against lesser teams.

But when teams are evenly matched as we often are in basketball, particularly in MVC games, then it often comes down to breaks, bounces, etc.

[run&blade]

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McDermott started Coleman, duh.

Lets keep the only game changing player on the bench becuase he MIGHT get in foul trouble if we don't. I wonder if Phil Jackson might do this in the playoffs with Kobe.

He never gets a pass for this outrage because he hasn't earned one by having any success.

[wloopanther]

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I dont understand the argument in this thread?

Who are we supposed to compare him to?

In terms of SUCCESS he is the best coach in UNI basketball history and point is proven if you go look in the McLeod Center at the banners hanging from the rafters.

This might be the dumbest post i have ever seen.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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Mac made more tournaments and had more success, but Eldon Miller won a tournament game. And going back if people remember (which I shouldn't as I wasn't alive), but Norm Stewart was a coach at UNI. And if you look through the records Norm had some pretty damn good success here. So don't be so quick to call Mac the best coach we've ever had.

Mac is currently a better coach than Coach Jake. Mac also had way more talent on his teams than Jake has had. I mean a player named Ben Jacobson made a lot of the breaks. How many times did he make Mac look good because of something he did. And don't forget how good John Little and Erik Crawford were. Don't get me wrong about Mac, but his players made him look pretty good sometimes.

If Jake goes through a couple losing seasons and doesn't look like there is any hope then get on his back, but right now he has won 18 games two years in a row which in the annals of UNI basketball history has only happened 11 times. So to me I think he deserves a little more of our time to see how this pans out.

[KansasCityPanther]

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MAC would not have done any better than Jake did the last two years! The decline in wins was due to a slight decline in talent on the team, period the end! Get over Mac and be realistic, very few midmajor programs sustain the success that is measured by NCAA bids. This a young team with a tremdous upside, give the team and the coaching staff a chance! Mac came to UNI as a head coach and still it took several years to be successful. I for one think Jake is doing a good job, still recruiting well (my biggest worry when MAC left) and he doesn't stink as a coach either.

Do any of the critics have a better coach in mind?

[TH1974]

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Mac made more tournaments and had more success, but Eldon Miller won a tournament game. And going back if people remember (which I shouldn't as I wasn't alive), but Norm Stewart was a coach at UNI. And if you look through the records Norm had some pretty damn good success here. So don't be so quick to call Mac the best coach we've ever had.

Mac is currently a better coach than Coach Jake. Mac also had way more talent on his teams than Jake has had. I mean a player named Ben Jacobson made a lot of the breaks. How many times did he make Mac look good because of something he did. And don't forget how good John Little and Erik Crawford were. Don't get me wrong about Mac, but his players made him look pretty good sometimes.

If Jake goes through a couple losing seasons and doesn't look like there is any hope then get on his back, but right now he has won 18 games two years in a row which in the annals of UNI basketball history has only happened 11 times. So to me I think he deserves a little more of our time to see how this pans out.

Norm Stewart did pretty well, but I think it was just his players that made him look good. same with Eldon.

[UNIFanSince1983]

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I am sure they did. I am not saying Mac wasn't great if you could read. I just said some of the things were not all Macs doing. He was the one who got Ben Jacobson, Erik Crawford, John Little, Brooks McKowen, Grant Stout, and Eric Coleman. I just think it may have been an anomaly that players of the caliber of Ben Jacobson or others mentioned came to UNI in the first place. We should not expect to have that kind of talent year in and year out.

I was just saying Mac is one of the great coaches in UNI history. But I don't think we should be so quick to give him the title of the best. Like I have said Mac is better than Jake, but that doesn't mean Jake sucks and needs to be run out of town.

[wloopanther]

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Just to clarify for everyone part of your duties as a coach are to recruit and retain you athletes.......

I think you all need to go back to the "point" of the thread.

Do not put him on a pedestal or something?

Without him bringing success back to the basketball program no one is even talking about the basketball team on panthernation

Not trying to defend him, but he did do good things for UNI basketball.