Katx 2-3-9

[9YRPLAN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3881625&name=katz_andy

[jman2004]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

I linked this page in the Bracketbuster thread that's now going on 7 pages . . .

Sounds like Katz is quite the Panther fan. He spends an entire paragraph explaining how we aren't a good enough team for Siena while pimping Northeastern (an East coast school by the way).

I hope we crush Siena, in spite of Katz!

[06panther10]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

I don't have too much of a problem with this anymore. I mean, our non-conf was embarassing. I guess we will just have to win the tournament and put this crap to bed anyway.

[jman2004]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

I don't have too much of a problem with this anymore. I mean, our non-conf was embarassing. I guess we will just have to win the tournament and put this crap to bed anyway.

I agree, our non-conference was embarrassing, but here's where I take offense to Katz, and here's where I think his bias comes out . . .

But the Panthers beat NO ONE in the nonconference that will be in the NCAA tournament.

Good call Andy Katz. So what? And how is Siena's story or Northeastern's any different? Which NCAA tournament hopeful has Siena beaten this season? Buffalo with an RPI rating of 76, leading the powerful MidAmerican conference, is their only one. Am I wrong, or didn't Siena also lose every one of their non-conference games to BCS conference schools (granted they may have been stiffer competition than we played, but doesn't change the fact that they LOST them all)?

What about Northeastern with an RPI of 57 sitting at 15-6 overall? Northeastern squeaked out a win against Providence in their third game of the season (Providence's first game by the way) and was lucky enough for Providence to go on and play well in the Big East. Outside of Providence, who exactly has Northeastern played and beaten that sets them so much farther apart from us? They too lost all their BCS non-conference games, and they lost them badly (lost by 20 to Michigan, 18 to USF, and 32 to Memphis).

Can you imagine if Auburn would've competed in the SEC?

In the grand scheme of things, you're right, it's one suit and his opinion. But in reality, in my opinion, he's wrong. We are just as good on paper as Siena or Northeastern for that matter (despite our poor start) because of the average competition we play night in and night out. So for him to spend an entire paragraph explaining why we aren't good enough to compete against Siena (while ignoring their own shortcomings as well as Northeastern's) is wrong.

[KansasCityPanther]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

I agree, our non-conference was embarrassing, but here's where I take offense to Katz, and here's where I think his bias comes out . . .



Good call Andy Katz. So what? And how is Siena's story or Northeastern's any different? Which NCAA tournament hopeful has Siena beaten this season? Buffalo with an RPI rating of 76, leading the powerful MidAmerican conference, is their only one. Am I wrong, or didn't Siena also lose every one of their non-conference games to BCS conference schools (granted they may have been stiffer competition than we played, but doesn't change the fact that they LOST them all)?

What about Northeastern with an RPI of 57 sitting at 15-6 overall? Northeastern squeaked out a win against Providence in their third game of the season (Providence's first game by the way) and was lucky enough for Providence to go on and play well in the Big East. Outside of Providence, who exactly has Northeastern played and beaten that sets them so much farther apart from us? They too lost all their BCS non-conference games, and they lost them badly (lost by 20 to Michigan, 18 to USF, and 32 to Memphis).

Can you imagine if Auburn would've competed in the SEC?

In the grand scheme of things, you're right, it's one suit and his opinion. But in reality, in my opinion, he's wrong. We are just as good on paper as Siena or Northeastern for that matter (despite our poor start) because of the average competition we play night in and night out. So for him to spend an entire paragraph explaining why we aren't good enough to compete against Siena (while ignoring their own shortcomings as well as Northeastern's) is wrong.

Sounds like the start of a good email to Katz!

[SteinPizza]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

What about Northeastern with an RPI of 57 sitting at 15-6 overall? Northeastern squeaked out a win against Providence in their third game of the season (Providence's first game by the way) and was lucky enough for Providence to go on and play well in the Big East. Outside of Providence, who exactly has Northeastern played and beaten that sets them so much farther apart from us? They too lost all their BCS non-conference games, and they lost them badly (lost by 20 to Michigan, 18 to USF, and 32 to Memphis).

Can you imagine if Auburn would've competed in the SEC?

In the grand scheme of things, you're right, it's one suit and his opinion.

Having skimmed the Katz thing, he's not that wrong. JMAN, you brought up some good points regarding Sienna. But, bottom line, Northeastern did beat Providence, who happens to be competitive in the best conference in the country. Auburn, on the other hand, has not been competitive in the SEC, so that hypothetical is pointless. Hell, even being competitive against Iowa would've helped our case, and they're just plain bad right now. I guess it also shows how amazing our turnaround actually is. The MVC isn't as good as it's been in the past, but it's not piss horrible either.

JMAN, I don't aim this at you per se', but the whole "east coast bias" thing is overblown in my opinion. Does it exist, yes. However, I doubt it exists at the level of Sienna and Northeastern. Yankees/Red Sox, yes. Sienna...not so much.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

i posted the link because i thought Katz was spot on.

[jman2004]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

Having skimmed the Katz thing, he's not that wrong. JMAN, you brought up some good points regarding Sienna. But, bottom line, Northeastern did beat Providence, who happens to be competitive in the best conference in the country. Auburn, on the other hand, has not been competitive in the SEC, so that hypothetical is pointless. Hell, even being competitive against Iowa would've helped our case, and they're just plain bad right now. I guess it also shows how amazing our turnaround actually is. The MVC isn't as good as it's been in the past, but it's not piss horrible either.

JMAN, I don't aim this at you per se', but the whole "east coast bias" thing is overblown in my opinion. Does it exist, yes. However, I doubt it exists at the level of Sienna and Northeastern. Yankees/Red Sox, yes. Sienna...not so much.

Northeastern was beat last night by William & Mary 68-63. W&M improved to 7-15 on the year picking up only their second CAA conference victory (2-10 in conference play now), while Northeastern fell to 15-7 overall. CAA folks could say that the loss looks about as bad as our Indiana State loss, if not worse.

Sorry, you won't convince me otherwise, despite their early season victory over Providence. Remember, Providence looks good on paper right now, but the Big East season isn't over yet (they lost last night at home as well, to Villanova). Who knows how good of a win that Providence win will be at the end of the season. Take away Providence, Northeastern has beaten NO ONE.

That's where Katz was wrong (not "spot on" 9yrplan). He said that we have beaten no one, the same should be said for the two teams he was trying to sell. Katz should be eating his words. On paper, we are just as good as Siena and Northeastern, possibly even better. Anyone who thinks otherwise, hasn't dove into the numbers enough or simply isn't giving us enough credit.

[TravelingPanther]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

It's the same issue as with anything....you can find or twist whatever facts you want to make whatever arguement you want.

I could probably do a study that shows that Drake students are the least intelligent college grads out of the universities in the state with D-I athletics.

....that's probably not the case, but you can prove anything you want with the right stats.

[jman2004]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

It's the same issue as with anything....you can find or twist whatever facts you want to make whatever arguement you want.

I could probably do a study that shows that Drake students are the least intelligent college grads out of the universities in the state with D-I athletics.

....that's probably not the case, but you can prove anything you want with the right stats.

What are you trying to say? That I twisted some sort of statistics to show that we are as good as Siena or Northeastern?

[Panther789]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

What are you trying to say? That I twisted some sort of statistics to show that we are as good as Siena or Northeastern?

I think our resume compares with NE's pretty well (expecially after last night, but in fairness, the bids were before last night, as was his article).

As far as Siena is concerned, I think 40-50 spots in the RPI are hard to ignore. That said, I think that gap will continue to close.

[TravelingPanther]

Re: Katx 2-3-9

What are you trying to say? That I twisted some sort of statistics to show that we are as good as Siena or Northeastern?

No....I'm just saying, that in life in general....you can usually pull up any stats or twist stats to say whatever you want. I was just saying the Katz chooses to pick what stats he wants to use to make his point.