Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

[panthertrack]

My bad. I didn't mean to start a fire, just had an honest question. Post deleted.

[williebat]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

Okay, so I was playing some NHL 09 tonight and my mind started to wander.

Ali Farokhmanesh's dad is an Iranian. He played on the Olympic volleyball team for Iran. Obviously, he is now an American citizen - but I don't think it's a huge jump to assume he may be of the Muslim faith.

Isn't there a law that Iranians must serve 2 years in the military? Would Ali fall under this law when he graduates? In two years, we may be at way with them.

What happens then?

I know, it's a shot in the dark, but I was pretty bored and I suck at this game.

Dude Ali is an American and goes by the laws of Americans just like I do.

When talking about someone's heritage don't go there on an anonymous message board.

Friendly advice.

Are you the person doing the epsn blog. More advice : AIM higher much Higher than this dribble.

[JayJ79]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

If Ali is an Iranian citizen, and he returns to Iran after school, then yes, he would likely have to serve a compulsory term in the military.

Just as citizens of many other countries have to: Israel, Albania, Armenia, Austria, Belarus, Bermuda, Brazil, Colombia, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Serbia, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Turkey, and Ukraine

And that law applies to ALL male Iranian citizens, regardless of their religion, so I don't know where you are going with the Muslim reference.

But is Ali even an Iranian citizen?

[panthertrack]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

Dude Ali is an American and goes by the laws of Americans just like I do.

When talking about someone's heritage don't go there on an anonymous message board.

Friendly advice.

Are you the person doing the epsn blog. More advice : AIM higher much Higher than this dribble.

Say what? It wasn't a shot at his heritage, you're reaching really far.

I had this mentioned to me before by someone else. I understand Ali is an American citizen, that goes without saying. He grew up and lived his entire life in Iowa City.

It was an honest question. Don't be so quick to be defensive.

[panthertrack]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

If Ali is an Iranian citizen, and he returns to Iran after school, then yes, he would likely have to serve a compulsory term in the military.

Just as citizens of many other countries have to: Israel, Albania, Armenia, Austria, Belarus, Bermuda, Brazil, Colombia, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Serbia, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Turkey, and Ukraine

And that law applies to ALL male Iranian citizens, regardless of their religion, so I don't know where you are going with the Muslim reference.

But is Ali even an Iranian citizen?

The part about the religion was aimed at the fact that it may be a slap in the face to his religion if he didn't return to serve his time in the military - nothing more.

[panthertrack]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

Perhaps a better question is - is Ali even allowed to go back to Iran to visit family members right now, or would they not approve an American visa to go back?

That would be incredibly frustrating, IMHO.

[JayJ79]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

I had this mentioned to me before by someone else. I understand Ali is an American citizen, that goes without saying. He grew up and lived his entire life in Iowa City.

If that is the case, then no, he is not required to serve in the Iranian military.

[Pantherpower]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

He didn't spend his entire life in Iowa City. Far from it. Please drop it while you're behind.

[TH1974]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

Wow.


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[williebat]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

If Ali is an Iranian citizen, and he returns to Iran after school, then yes, he would likely have to serve a compulsory term in the military.

Just as citizens of many other countries have to: Israel, Albania, Armenia, Austria, Belarus, Bermuda, Brazil, Colombia, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, South Korea, Mexico, Norway, Russia, Serbia, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Turkey, and Ukraine

And that law applies to ALL male Iranian citizens, regardless of their religion, so I don't know where you are going with the Muslim reference.

But is Ali even an Iranian citizen?

nice post. Some (not me) argue that if we had that here we would have less war. Debatable but interesting.

Ali is an American, panthertrack must have been dipping into the special sauce when he posted this stupid thread.

[panthertrack]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

Sigh.

It wasn't aimed to undermine anyone or anything. It was just a question.

Some of you take things much, much too seriously.

[williebat]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

The part about the religion was aimed at the fact that it may be a slap in the face to his religion if he didn't return to serve his time in the military - nothing more.

You need to understand that there is a huge gorge between secular nationalism and religion. Even in Iran. A person's faith is different from their nationalistic loyalties. Period.

Maybe if someone has strong nationalistic loyalties they would go and join the army for their country.

Religion is different. Unless you are a radical extremist you do not go and fight wars for your religion. Extremists sometimes do but not mainstream 99.9% of people with who are of the Islamic faith.

Not defensive but I would wonder what Ali would make of your post?

[williebat]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

Perhaps a better question is - is Ali even allowed to go back to Iran to visit family members right now, or would they not approve an American visa to go back?

That would be incredibly frustrating, IMHO.

that would be a good question to ask ALI not a message board. I agree that would suck.

[SteinPizza]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

The part about the religion was aimed at the fact that it may be a slap in the face to his religion if he didn't return to serve his time in the military - nothing more.

P'track, no offense, but this question was niave' at best. Why would you assume an American citizen has to serve in the Iranian military??? Also, why would you assume a muslim would feel compelled to serve in the military for religious reasons?

The military (official part of the state) and the Muslim religion are two ENTIRELY different things. There are several Muslim coutries with pretty secular (non-religous based) governments. A good guess says a committed Muslim wouldn't think of joining the military. If he felt compelled to fight for his faith, he'd do so as part of a religious organization (hence the term "jihad"). Before anyone starts bashing Muslims, read a little about the crusades and the inquisition and you'll see that Christians have been guilty of "jihadism" as well. Same with the Jewish faith.

Final thought...nice job of by someone of pointing out other countries with compulsory military service. Israel is a great example, and one of the few that actually has an effective fighting force. The Russkies...not so much.

[panthertrack]

Re: Interesting situation re: Farokhmanesh

P'track, no offense, but this question was niave' at best. Why would you assume an American citizen has to serve in the Iranian military??? Also, why would you assume a muslim would feel compelled to serve in the military for religious reasons?

The military (official part of the state) and the Muslim religion are two ENTIRELY different things. There are several Muslim coutries with pretty secular (non-religous based) governments. A good guess says a committed Muslim wouldn't think of joining the military. If he felt compelled to fight for his faith, he'd do so as part of a religious organization (hence the term "jihad"). Before anyone starts bashing Muslims, read a little about the crusades and the inquisition and you'll see that Christians have been guilty of "jihadism" as well. Same with the Jewish faith.

Final thought...nice job of by someone of pointing out other countries with compulsory military service. Israel is a great example, and one of the few that actually has an effective fighting force. The Russkies...not so much.

It was a naive question. I apologize if it angered anyone - that was definitely not the intent.