Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

[06panther10]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

Kelly will be a huge addition for the Trees, but this doesn't necessarily mean he will be a huge addition for the league.

I see Kelly having an impact similar to Shy Ely. A very good guard on a lower-middle tier MVC team.

1st team MVC will be:

Osiris Eldridge
P’Allen Stinnett
Adam Koch
Kevin Dillard
Kwadzo Ahelegbe

I don't know about Dillard yet. And IMO you can never count on Stinnett not losing his mind halfway through the season. I might slip Odiakosa from ISUr or Murray from WSU in there.

[Purrrrrfect]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

9yr, quit being a frickin baby. It's alright if people don't agree with you. This doesn't really have anything to do with the Hawks. Many of us know that there alot of good teams/players in the MVC right now and they are not going to walk right in and take over. Just because some don't want to crown them as first team all-conference already does not meant those people are an "embarassment" to UNI.

They are both really good players. And they will fit it well with each team, and make both of those teams much better.

its okay, he is just showing the true colors of being a real iowa fan. Whines to the ends of the earth whenever they dont get their way.

[jman2004]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

I don't think Kelly will be that good of a player with the limited time he has for basketball now that he is spending most of his time caring for his family. That's why he was granted a hardship waiver by the NCAA right, so he could take care of his family?

While I agree with you in the sense that it's not as well defined as it could be, I also think you're exaggerating a little much.

Kelly is not going to be "spending most of his time caring for his family" nor is that the reason he was granted a hardship waiver. Remember, this is about his athletic career (that's what the "hardship" clause is for). It's not like he'd have to sit out classes and wait a year to enroll . . . This is about Kelly's collegiate "athletic" career.

He was granted a hardship waiver because of a family tragedy that forced him to relocate. If his mother would not have died, it's highly likely that Kelly would still be practicing as a Hawkeye.

[jman2004]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

its okay, he is just showing the true colors of being a real iowa fan. Whines to the ends of the earth whenever they dont get their way.

Actually, I think it's comments like this that caused him to "pick up his ball and go home."

9YR made a comment, was looking for a conversation, most people responded to it respectfully and appropriately, whereas others chose to make comments like . . .

"I know he is from the BIG BAD BIG TENELEVEN"

and

And you wonder why people get pissed about your posts being biased toward that coralville team?"

and

But, but, but........Kelly, and Freeman are Hawks, and we all know that, in spite of the records (we all know that was Alford's fault anyway), they played for IOWA, darn it.......That puts them WAY over anything that UNI would have.

Heck, the Valley should feel lucky that they are willing to play in the league, it is a serious step down for them.

Nevermind that Kelly was the ONLY guy willing to take the big shot for Iowa last year, and that Freeman was the only scorer the year before, that is irrelevant, THEY WERE HAWKS, so they are better than anything that UNI could ever come up with.

Jeez guys.

I think it's clear now (even to 9YR) that Kelly will probably not be pre-season all-conference. Too much returning talent. But to imply that 9YR only brought up Kelly's name as a possible candidate simply because he's a Hawk fan or because Kelly is a former Hawkeye, is purely naive and ignorant. The fact that he was a former Hawkeye (or that 9YR is a "dual fan"), really should have never even came up.

Kelly's a very good player and Indiana State is lucky to have him. He immediately makes them a better team. He's good enough to EASILY achieve some kind of all-conference honors by seasons end.

[TravelingPanther]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

I think Kelly and Freeman are both going to be great players in the Valley. They had the talent, just no teamwork at Iowa.

[GonzoCat]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

He was granted a hardship waiver because of a family tragedy that forced him to relocate. If his mother would not have died, it's highly likely that Kelly would still be practicing as a Hawkeye.

That's my point, he was not forced to relocate because of a family tragedy. He had a tragedy yes, but why would it force him to relocate, and if it did why was he able to wait a whole year before relocating? He wanted out of Iowa and it made a handy reason, one the NCAA shouldn't have granted a waiver for.

I was making this same case last year when he transferred and some people said he was needed to help take care of his family, so I was just assuming those duties wouldn't leave him with as much time for basketball.

People think I'm some kind of heartless prick for saying these things, but imo the time to go home and be with his mother was while she was still alive, not after she died. That's what Tyler Smith claimed he was doing when he transferred and I thought that was fine. Whether he actually spent more time with his dad or not I have no idea, but it was a valid reason to mover closer to home.

[06panther10]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

I agree with Gonzo.

[jman2004]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

That's my point, he was not forced to relocate because of a family tragedy. He had a tragedy yes, but why would it force him to relocate, and if it did why was he able to wait a whole year before relocating? He wanted out of Iowa and it made a handy reason, one the NCAA shouldn't have granted a waiver for.

I was making this same case last year when he transferred and some people said he was needed to help take care of his family, so I was just assuming those duties wouldn't leave him with as much time for basketball.

People think I'm some kind of heartless prick for saying these things, but imo the time to go home and be with his mother was while she was still alive, not after she died. That's what Tyler Smith claimed he was doing when he transferred and I thought that was fine. Whether he actually spent more time with his dad or not I have no idea, but it was a valid reason to mover closer to home.

I don't think you're heartless for saying these things. Not at all. If things went down the way you say they did, I definitely see your point . . . it's just that that's NOT the story that I heard at all, and I've heard it from some pretty reliable sources.

Kelly's mom moved to Iowa from Indiana to be closer to Jake. That fact kind of changes your "he needed to be with his mother while she was still alive" comment. He WAS with his mother. She died prematurely in a plane crash. With her gone, and going through what he was going through emotionally, he just wanted to move back to Indiana to be near family. He never claimed that he needed to "help take care of his family". Maybe some people on this site generalized that but those words never came from him.

The other thing I think you're WAY off on is Kelly's intentions. You are assuming he wanted out of Iowa the same way the other three players that left around the same time did. That's not the case. Jake was perfectly happy at Iowa until his mother died. He did not "use" his mother's death as a way out of Iowa City.

You can't blame him. He wanted to be near family. He was perfectly willing to sit out a year. It's not his fault he was granted the hardship.

[SpanishMoon]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

ncaa made new rule. If you transfer from Iowa you can play right away.

[Supersycamorefan]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

Hey everybody,
Just to clarify Jakes dad lives in Terre Haute thats why he moved back here and Marico Stinson hasnt played for ISU since the 2007-2008 season.

[jman2004]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

Looking at the MVC preview on ESPN.com, this little article caught my eye. If anyone still thinks that Kelly wanted out of Iowa and used his mother's death as his excuse, or doesn't agree with the NCAA's decision to award him a "hardship" waiver, I suggest reading this. A good article on a guy that hopefully will represent the Valley well!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=4543258

[Silent Earl]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

I read it and I don't see how he qualifies for a hardship waiver. I'm not saying he just wanted out of Iowa. I understand why he wanted to transfer to be closer to home, but any college bb player could say that, it's not a hardship. But really, I don't care at all, and I don't expect him to come in and tear up the Valley like some people do. I expect he will be a decent player, but I wouldn't trade any of our backcourt for him.

[jman2004]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

I don't agree that "any college bb player could say that." If any normal player wanted to move simply because they were "homesick", they wouldn't be granted a hardship waiver. Kelly's situation is different because he lost a parent. A parent that moved to Iowa to be with him.

Whether you agree with the idea behind the "hardship waiver" or not is not the point. Fact is, this situation is exactly why the hardship waiver exists. If Kelly doesn't deserve a hardship waiver, what type of situation WOULD garner a hardship waiver then?

[Panthers to the Bone]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

Harry Marshall suspended indefinitely from Indiana State

http://www.tribstar.com/collegesports/local_story_306172815.html?keyword=topstory

http://www.sycamorehoops.com/showthread.php?t=4634

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Jake Kelly eligible for Trees this year

ouch kaboom