How big was that win last night for recruiting?

[PantherHawk]

I think this win jump starts our recruiting efforts. I think several High school kids watched that game and thought I could be there. ALI should have his own spotlight on CBS sports. to show the path of a hs kid who wanted to play ball, goes to Juco and ends up playing in 2 NCAA tournament games!

I think that win, jumps us into the top spot for all Iowa recruits. I wouldn't be surprised to see some nice solid recruits for this fall! The 2011 class.

I talked to someone today at the bar and he told me to enjoy this run, because next year (his alma mater WSU) is gonna win the valley. I told him I don't think we are gonna be that bad off, we lose 3 KEY seniors, but we play 10 deep. We have plenty of guys with game experience! We are gonna be set for years to come. I just hope Jake stays!

[Aargh]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

The NCAA's are generally considered a little late in the year to matter in spring recruiting.

It's also considered that most early signees for the fall are already either committed or so close to a commitment that an NCAA W doesn't change much.

An NCAA W hasn't done much for Valley schools. BU, WSU, and SIU have had recent NCAA S16s and there has been no apparent impact on recruiting. In fact, Turgeon had 2 recruiting years that were absolutely brutal following WSU's S16. That probably was a factor in Turgeon leaving WSU. The hole in recruiting after the S16 was going to be exposed. There were 2 empty classes after the guys who were Jrs in the S16.

[PantherHawk]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

What I am talking about is our class for next year. NOT THIS YEAR (2010), the following year (2011). They get to sign in the fall or next spring.

I believe that this helped UNI solidify any recruit that was looking at them. Benny J is a good coach who can develop players better than anybody. I bet if there are any studs out there in State of Iowa, they are now looking at UNI. I doubt any decent player would want to go to Iowa or ISU.

I bet we see some nice recruits after this season for the 2011 class!

[06panther10]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

The NCAA's are generally considered a little late in the year to matter in spring recruiting.

It's also considered that most early signees for the fall are already either committed or so close to a commitment that an NCAA W doesn't change much.

An NCAA W hasn't done much for Valley schools. BU, WSU, and SIU have had recent NCAA S16s and there has been no apparent impact on recruiting. In fact, Turgeon had 2 recruiting years that were absolutely brutal following WSU's S16. That probably was a factor in Turgeon leaving WSU. The hole in recruiting after the S16 was going to be exposed. There were 2 empty classes after the guys who were Jrs in the S16.

Not entirely true.

SIU's run resulted in one of the highest rated recruiting classes that the Valley had seen in many many years. Unfortunately for them, those guys have all been busts so far.

Also, UNI's run of 3 stright NCAA's from Mac's days were hugely important to UNI's recruiting. We wouldn't have players like Kwadzo, Koch, and Jordan without that run. The players that we have now, and have coming in, are a big step above the caliber of players that we had prior to our NCAA success.

Maybe Turgeon knew he wanted out of WSU, and thats why the recruiting was lacking in his last season.

[clenz]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

If anything is solidified Jevon's commitment to UNI. Don't we have a scholly open for next year yet, or is that going to a 5-4 guy? Is Morris on scholly or not? What is the scholarship situation with BJ Ray?


Where's PTTB with his chart when you need him...lol

[cydave]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

What I am talking about is our class for next year. NOT THIS YEAR (2010), the following year (2011). They get to sign in the fall or next spring.

I believe that this helped UNI solidify any recruit that was looking at them. Benny J is a good coach who can develop players better than anybody. I bet if there are any studs out there in State of Iowa, they are now looking at UNI. I doubt any decent player would want to go to Iowa or ISU.

I bet we see some nice recruits after this season for the 2011 class!

I think UNI would have to make some more noise in the tournament before recruits really open their eyes and make big decision changes. I don't think 1 win is going to do it. To really make a big change on a recruiting level you need to consistantly win the MVC, make the NCAA tourney, and win in the tourney. These one time things just aren't enough. Look at George Mason, who made it to the elite 8, that didn't all of a sudden make them a recuiting hot bed and turn them into a mid-major powerhouse. Another example would be Western Kentucky upsetting Drake a couple years ago. Did that big win rapidly increase their recruiting efforts?
Having one big year doesn't really change much. Kind of like having one bad year won't change anything either, (i.e. UNC).

Big time players not only want to go to a decent school, but they also want to play against top level talent. Playing in the Big 12 and Big 10 is where ISU has the advantage over UNI. At this time, UNI is the best program in the state, but if you were a high school kid do you want to play for a good program in the MVC in front of 5000-6000 fans? Or, do you want to go to a program that's rebuilding and you can probably get some immediate playing time, play in a power conference against some of the best teams in the nation, and play in front of 12000+ fans (except Iowa )

If UNI starts making the NCAA tourney on a regular basis and winning games and ISU/UI continue to suck, then you would probably see a change in in-state recruiting. Just my two cents.

[Aargh]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

Now that I think about it, BU had some respected recruiting classes after their S16, but neither BU nor SIU benefited from those recruiting classes.

Maybe it will work out different for UNI. I think it's more related to the coaching situation than any other factor, so maybe UNI can get more out of an NCAA win than the Valley has shown recently.

At least you're discussing this. No other school in the Valley is.

Another thing that's always a factor is playing time. As deep as UNI played, there may be questions recruits have about how much playing time is available next year. We all love signing guys who can be impact players as Fr, but those players tend to find schools where playing time is available to Fr. Iowa is in a great position that way.

[clenz]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

Now that I think about it, BU had some respected recruiting classes after their S16, but neither BU nor SIU benefited from those recruiting classes.

Maybe it will work out different for UNI. I think it's more related to the coaching situation than any other factor, so maybe UNI can get more out of an NCAA win than the Valley has shown recently.

At least you're discussing this. No other school in the Valley is.

Another thing that's always a factor is playing time. As deep as UNI played, there may be questions recruits have about how much playing time is available next year. We all love signing guys who can be impact players as Fr, but those players tend to find schools where playing time is available to Fr. Iowa is in a great position that way.

The good thing is we have already signed three for next year so we won't have to explain it to potetntial recruites

[P-and-g-for-me-plz]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

I think this win jump starts our recruiting efforts. I think several High school kids watched that game and thought I could be there. ALI should have his own spotlight on CBS sports. to show the path of a hs kid who wanted to play ball, goes to Juco and ends up playing in 2 NCAA tournament games!

I think that win, jumps us into the top spot for all Iowa recruits. I wouldn't be surprised to see some nice solid recruits for this fall! The 2011 class.

I talked to someone today at the bar and he told me to enjoy this run, because next year (his alma mater WSU) is gonna win the valley. I told him I don't think we are gonna be that bad off, we lose 3 KEY seniors, but we play 10 deep. We have plenty of guys with game experience! We are gonna be set for years to come. I just hope Jake stays!

I think the biggest factor in getting recruits over Iowa is going to be the coach they hire! If it's a coach that is well known we probably won't...if it's another mid major coach we probably will!

[06panther10]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

To really make a big change on a recruiting level you need to consistantly win the MVC, make the NCAA tourney, and win in the tourney.

Check, check, and check.

If UNI starts making the NCAA tourney on a regular basis and winning games and ISU/UI continue to suck, then you would probably see a change in in-state recruiting. Just my two cents.

Where have you been for the last 8 or 9 years? Because that's exactly what has happened.

[GonzoCat]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

It won't help us get top in state recruits, not sure anything would. We get most of our best players from out of state already, it will help us continue to do so and hopefully get even better players. Out of state players see us as a pretty good team. With in state players we are fighting against 100 years of tradition and almost unlimited publicity for the other two state schools at our expense.

[Trapped in California]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

Keep winning games, keep Ben Jacobsen in town, and at least you will get a listen. The types of players that play for Jake (& Mac) are not the same mold as those wanting to play for Tubby Smith, Callapari, etc. However, stealing recruits from Butler, Marquette, WSU & Creighton would be great.

[Cannic88]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

I think UNI would have to make some more noise in the tournament before recruits really open their eyes and make big decision changes. I don't think 1 win is going to do it. To really make a big change on a recruiting level you need to consistantly win the MVC, make the NCAA tourney, and win in the tourney. These one time things just aren't enough. Look at George Mason, who made it to the elite 8, that didn't all of a sudden make them a recuiting hot bed and turn them into a mid-major powerhouse. Another example would be Western Kentucky upsetting Drake a couple years ago. Did that big win rapidly increase their recruiting efforts?
Having one big year doesn't really change much. Kind of like having one bad year won't change anything either, (i.e. UNC).

Big time players not only want to go to a decent school, but they also want to play against top level talent. Playing in the Big 12 and Big 10 is where ISU has the advantage over UNI. At this time, UNI is the best program in the state, but if you were a high school kid do you want to play for a good program in the MVC in front of 5000-6000 fans? Or, do you want to go to a program that's rebuilding and you can probably get some immediate playing time, play in a power conference against some of the best teams in the nation, and play in front of 12000+ fans (except Iowa )

If UNI starts making the NCAA tourney on a regular basis and winning games and ISU/UI continue to suck, then you would probably see a change in in-state recruiting. Just my two cents.

George Mason was in the Final Four, just saying.

Kaboom!

[4N6]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

Plain and simple. It was huge.

[panther2317]

Re: How big was that win last night for recruiting?

I think the coaches need to continue to recruit the type of kid they are recruiting now. They seem to know the style of player that fits their system. They also seem to be able to develop that talent.

Remember how great Creighton was? It allowed them to get in on kids they wouldn't have been able to due to their long string of successful seasons...and it got them players like P'Allen Stinnett.

Be careful what you wish for. I like how our current recruiting is going...if it gets us a kid who would have selected a Wisconsin or Gonzaga instead of UNI...that's great. But otherwise I trust the eyes of this staff to find what's best for the program moving forward.