Next Year

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Next Year

If it is combo #2 I would expect Koch to play the center. I really think his post game will improve during the off season.

Also I think too many people are writing off Bohannon because of our depth. Yes he might red shirt but I really think he is a player that can contribute very meaningful minutes next year as a shooter and as a complete basketball player.

I think our depth affords the chance to redshirt Bohannon. He has the build/game to play right away, but I think it would work great if he can redshirt next year and then start in Johnny's spot in two years.

I also think it is far more likely that Tuttle redshirts than Singleton. Singleton already has the body for the game whereas Tuttle could use some weight/muscle. I think the Oliviera signing gives us the chance to let Tuttle hit the weights and keep Singleton in the 3 slot with occasional 4 time. That will be a heck of an athletic advantage at the 3 for us.

And before people jump and say Tuttle can play right away, he himself has hinted at possibly redshirting.

My line-up:

PG: Mitchell
SG: James
SG: Moran (will also play some PG)
PF: Koch (will also play some 5)
C: Oliviera (will also play some 4)

Bench:

PG/SG: Sonnen, Morrison, Syndergaard (Lyle-RS)
SG/SF: Martino, Lange (Bohannon-RS)
SF/PF: Singleton, Rank, Buss
PF/C: Pehl, Humpal (Tuttle-RS)

[DownGoesKansas]

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I think our depth affords the chance to redshirt Bohannon. He has the build/game to play right away, but I think it would work great if he can redshirt next year and then start in Johnny's spot in two years.

I also think it is far more likely that Tuttle redshirts than Singleton. Singleton already has the body for the game whereas Tuttle could use some weight/muscle. I think the Oliviera signing gives us the chance to let Tuttle hit the weights and keep Singleton in the 3 slot with occasional 4 time. That will be a heck of an athletic advantage at the 3 for us.

And before people jump and say Tuttle can play right away, he himself has hinted at possibly redshirting.

My line-up:

PG: Mitchell
SG: James
SG: Moran (will also play some PG)
PF: Koch (will also play some 5)
C: Oliviera (will also play some 4)

Bench:

PG/SG: Sonnen, Morrison, Syndergaard (Lyle-RS)
SG/SF: Martino, Lange (Bohannon-RS)
SF/PF: Singleton, Rank, Buss
PF/C: Pehl, Humpal (Tuttle-RS)

Jake has a tough decision with the red shirts because of the depth we will have. I just hope Jake has the best players play. By that I mean if Bohannon, etc give us a better chance to win by playing 8 minutes a game then I really hope they play. Obviously that player would most likely contribute more in his 5th year but Jake has 4 years to find a quality replacemet for them. Also, injuries occur. What happens when Bohannon gets hurt in 2 years and misses the season? Players like Lyle who have so much depth in front of them I have no problem redshirting. Just my opinion.

Most likely one of Tuttle/Singleton will redshirt. There are positives/negatives for each. For Tuttle, the extra time in the weight room would be nice to adjust from 2A to Valley basketball but he is 6'8'' and more of a true post player which would add a lot to our team. With Singleton, he is already there physically but he played the 5 in high school and will most likely be playing the 3/4 here. With Sonnen, Rank, Buss we have quite a bit of depth there.

I would guess Singleton just do to the position change but I would not criticize either.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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I don't know for sure how things will pan out, but it seems like with the signing of Oliviera, Coach Jake has added a solid five man with more versatility. If Oliviera was able to play both post positions, then, it should allow Buss to be able to play both the 3 and 4 (as Rank, Pehl, and Koch should be able to play the majority of the minutes at the '4-5'). IMO, it would be great to have the luxury to redshirt Tuttle if they can. With CO, Koch, Rank, Buss, and Pehl you should have some solid options and some depth.

With Buss being able to cover both the 3 and 4, then, with Martino providing depth at the '3', there may be less of a need to play Singleton this year. I have thought all along that Singleton would play due to his body being physically ready. But, with Buss being able to play more '3' due to the signing of CO, it would probably open up the ability to RS Singelton which would be great to be able to develop his perimeter skills to be better ready to play minutes the next year backing up the '3'. I don't know what will happen with the guard group, but I would imagine Moran, Sonnen, and James will start. Mitchell could start instead of Sonnen, but that typically goes against what Jake has done in the past.

The trip to Brazil will provide more answers to the depth of the team, but here is what I project at this time:

PG: Moran
SG: James
SG: Sonnen
PF: Koch
C: Pehl (Maybe similarly to the role he played in the last few weeks of the season)

Bench:

PG: Mitchell, Morrison, Syndergaard (Lyle-RS)
SG: Bohannon
SF: Martino, Buss, (Singleton-RS)
PF: Rank, Lange, (Tuttle-RS)
C: Oliviera, Humpal

[OhNewby]

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PTTB, what about Lyle?? you're scaring me...

I was thinking back to our last huge recruiting class, in 2006 and out of the big four recruits in the last class (Kwadzo, Kerwin, Jordan and Koch) only Kerwin redshirted.

I'm wondering if it's going to be possible to have these pretty big recruits (Mitchell, Singleton, Tuttle, Bohannon) that clearly could have gone to other bigger schools, redshirt.

[achrist70]

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I think this summer in Brazil will really tell the coaches a lot. You don't have to redshirt anyone until the start of the season. If I had to guess I would say at least 3 of the freshman will play, and I would say that Mitchell is the only one I am confident will not be given a redshirt.

The player I think we are forgetting about when we are talking about our young players is Chip. When looking at the stats of some of our recent post players his stats are actually better as a freshman than anyone. I know he is only 6'6" but he showed glimpses last year in the post, especially defensively.

[achrist70]

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Another thing thing I don't think we have thought about with Olivier is redshirting. Jake may redshirt him for academic reasons, just so he is able to get adjusted to college life, I guess I should just pick on Chris, Jake could see this necessary for any of the recruits.

[DownGoesKansas]

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Another thing thing I don't think we have thought about with Olivier is redshirting. Jake may redshirt him for academic reasons, just so he is able to get adjusted to college life, I guess I should just pick on Chris, Jake could see this necessary for any of the recruits.

While that might be a good idea and beneficial, I just do not think someone gave up a full ride for him to red shirt. That is just my opinion though. Also if he really is a quality big man we need him playing right away.

[Panthers to the Bone]

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PTTB, what about Lyle?? you're scaring me...

I was thinking back to our last huge recruiting class, in 2006 and out of the big four recruits in the last class (Kwadzo, Kerwin, Jordan and Koch) only Kerwin redshirted.

I'm wondering if it's going to be possible to have these pretty big recruits (Mitchell, Singleton, Tuttle, Bohannon) that clearly could have gone to other bigger schools, redshirt.

Newby-

I listed Lyle in the PG section of my discussion under possible RS...if you thought I forgot him on purpose!

Regarding the 2006 class, you have to realize that I think it would have been nice to have at least Koch or Eglseder back for one final year (correct?). That's why I think they RS Tuttle or CO, and more likely Tuttle. This is all speculation at this point. This is too large of a class and this team is going to need some of the freshmen to step up and play significant minutes, so speculating on playing time/roles before almost half of the scholarship players show up on campus is not as accurate as I would like to think I've been in previous years. So, really, I feel way less confident about anything I floated out there regarding roles with this class, just due to the sheer number and versatility of their potential roles.

[06panther10]

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I do not remember a year like this upcoming year, where there have been so many question marks as to who will get minutes and who will be redshirting.

We have SO many options at this point. Coach Jake has a LOT of decisions to make between now and next October. It will be exciting to watch it unfold. Unlimited potential with the group of guys we have right now.

[panther1]

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I do not remember a year like this upcoming year, where there have been so many question marks as to who will get minutes and who will be redshirting.

We have SO many options at this point. Coach Jake has a LOT of decisions to make between now and next October. It will be exciting to watch it unfold. Unlimited potential with the group of guys we have right now.

This group of incoming freshmen has the potential to go deep in the tournament in 3 or 4 years if they stick together and build a good team chemistry. Heck, even their Soph. season could be special when added with Koch, James, Sonnen, Pehl, and Buss. I really think that CO's development will be the foundation of the team in the coming seasons. If he continues to develop, watch out.

Potential starting five from this incoming class in years 3 and 4:
PG: Mitchell
SG: Bohannon/Lyle
SF: Singleton
PF: Tuttle
C: Oliviera

For all intents and purposes, you can add Buss and Martino to this group as well, since they will be RS Freshmen this season. That adds a 6' 5" wing and a 6' 8" wing/forward to the mix...

If these guys buy into Ben's system...this may be setting us up for another run of tourney appearances.

[UNI83]

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As much as we *****ed about not having height this year we are going to have a ton of guys that are 6'5-6'10 the next couple years

[UNI83]

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2013: Pehl 6'10, Koch 6'9
2014: Rank 6'6, Lange 6'6
2015: Buss 6'8, Martino 6'5
2015/16: Tuttle 6'8, Olivier 6'8, Singleton 6'6
2016: Humpal


Then our guards have decent height as well
Sonnen 6'3
Bohannon 6'3
Lyle 6'2
Moran 6'1
Mitchell 6'1
Snydergaard 6'1
ANTHONY JAMES 6'
Morrison 6'

[SteinPizza]

Re: Next Year

Then our guards have decent height as well
Sonnen 6'3
Bohannon 6'3
Lyle 6'2
Moran 6'1
Mitchell 6'1
Snydergaard 6'1
ANTHONY JAMES 6'
Morrison 6'

I disagree with the above. Our guards are tiny compared to BCS level schools. That doesn't mean they aren't good, it's that none of them are in the 6'4 to 6'7 range. I'll take a 6'1 Anthony James over a 6'6 kid who isn't as athletic any day of the week.

[orangetennis]

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IMO Singleton will be better than Rank & Buss & eventually better than Jake Kock too. He'll play right away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGL-cjKR3w

[NEI Panther]

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I'm really happy that we were able to pick up Oliveria, but i'm not sure why everyone is just assumming that he will jump ahead of Pehl, Tuttle and Rank. CO was ranked in the upper 70's coming out of high school a year ago, much like Pehl coming out of HS. The kid wasn't exactly that highly recruited after a year of prep school, yet many of you have him starting. Tuttle was a much higher ranked recruit. Defense and rebounding will determine who starts. After O'Rear went down last year, we really struggled in both of these areas down low.