Bracketology = bcs

[Panther789]

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Mo state went 25-8 and 15-3 in a down but still tough MVC. They played tough against #23 Tennessee and Oklahoma State that upset a #15 Mizzoura team. SOS and RPI not as high due to the Valley beating each other up and defending champion UNI falling down the stretch. Then again, what does an RPI matter if you have a 21 and don't get in years ago. Seems crazy that the 3-4 day stretch in a tourney can overshadow a season of success. 8-2 in the last 10. Mich State 5-5.

GREAT POINT!! I hadn't thought of the fact that Missouri State lost to a non-tournament team that beat a projected 8-9 seed.

Tell the committee!!!

[UNI83]

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This isn't an argument for MSU but Villanova lost 10 of their last 15 games. I know the Big East is tough but if you are not one of the 10 best teams in your league...I don't care to finish the statement.

I think Nova finished 10th in the Big East. The top 10 in the Big East are probably all legitimate top 15-20 teams.

[jnutt]

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GREAT POINT!! I hadn't thought of the fact that Missouri State lost to a non-tournament team that beat a projected 8-9 seed.

Tell the committee!!!

haha ok, i will concede here. u win

[TheMacHouse]

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I think Nova finished 10th in the Big East. The top 10 in the Big East are probably all legitimate top 15-20 teams.

Marquette has probably passed up Nova so Nova will be 11th in the pecking order.

[UNI_12]

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Who has Michigan State played in their last ten games? Who has Missouri State played in their last ten games? That is why Michigan State is 5-5 and Missouri State is 8-2. Show me Missouri State's impressive nonconference wins? Oklahoma State finished 9th in the Big 12 and Missouri State lost to them...they also lost to a down Tennessee team, Tulsa, and got pounded by Valporaiso in their bracketbuster...they don't have one remotely impressive non-MVC win. Sorry, but they do not deserve a tourney berth.

The Valley is as bad as it has been in years and everyone knows it...the good news is that with players like McDermott, Rice, and Odum the future appears bright.

[Panther-Sheik]

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I think a team should have to have a +.500 record in their conference to make the NCAA tourney, unless you win the conference tourney. If you can't win more than 50% of your games in conference, or pull off a great 3 - 4 days in the conference tourney, then you didn't get it done that year and shouldn't get into the NCAA. That would put a lot more emphasis on the regular season and make it more exciting for a lot of teams.

[jnutt]

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I think a team should have to have a +.500 record in their conference to make the NCAA tourney, unless you win the conference tourney. If you can't win more than 50% of your games in conference, or pull off a great 3 - 4 days in the conference tourney, then you didn't get it done that year and shouldn't get into the NCAA. That would put a lot more emphasis on the regular season and make it more exciting for a lot of teams.

i agree with you

[TheMacHouse]

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Michigan St has 3 wins in conference against teams that have a .500 or better conference record and all 3 are at home with 2 of them against teams that are exactly .500. Outside of conference they have 1 good win. Not exactly a tournament worthy resume.

[Panther789]

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Michigan St has 3 wins in conference against teams that have a .500 or better conference record and all 3 are at home with 2 of them against teams that are exactly .500. Outside of conference they have 1 good win. Not exactly a tournament worthy resume.

If Michigan State loses to Purdue tonight and gets left out, I don't have a huge problem with that, but I certainly wouldn't put Missouri State in.

[TheMacHouse]

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If Michigan State loses to Purdue tonight and gets left out, I don't have a huge problem with that, but I certainly wouldn't put Missouri State in.

I don't want to make a huge case for Missouri St. I do think a team that plays an 18 game conference schedule against one of the top 10 conferences in the country and wins the conference should gets some consideration over a team in the middle of the pack from a BCS conference.

[Panther-Sheik]

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i agree with you

If you did this it should eliminate some of the subjectivity to selection Sunday and might leave room to allow some of the top mid-major conferences to get their regular season champ an auto bid into the NCAA. Maybe the Mid-majors are based on annual conference RPI or something?? Would love to see more emphasis on regular season and regular season championships (without eliminating conference tournament championships) though.

[Panther789]

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I don't want to make a huge case for Missouri St. I do think a team that plays an 18 game conference schedule against one of the top 10 conferences in the country and wins the conference should gets some consideration over a team in the middle of the pack from a BCS conference.

That is a fair point, but its completely irrelevant here. The MVC was the 12th best RPI conference this year.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

[TheMacHouse]

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That is a fair point, but its completely irrelevant here. The MVC was the 12th best RPI conference this year.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

10/12 I don't really care. If you want to quote rpi here are a few teams considered ahead of Missouri St for making the NCAA and their rpi (you brought it up not me). BTW Missouri St rpi is 40.

Michigan St 45
Colorado 64
Alabama 85

I'm sure I can name more but I just haven't followed college basketball as much this year so I probably don't have much say.

[Panther789]

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10/12 I don't really care. If you want to quote rpi here are a few teams considered ahead of Missouri St for making the NCAA and their rpi (you brought it up not me). BTW Missouri St rpi is 40.

Michigan St 45
Colorado 64
Alabama 85

I'm sure I can name more but I just haven't followed college basketball as much this year so I probably don't have much say.

You sure showed me. You indicated that the MVC was a Top 10 conference. I provided you with a tool suggesting its not. It doesn't end the discussion on the conferences, but I've yet to see information suggesting otherwise. RPI or not, you aren't convincing me the MVC is a Top 10 conference.

Since you haven't followed as much basketball this year, I will update you on a couple of things, and I won't even need the RPI to do it.

The MVC has been a disaster. Remember a couple of weeks ago when the league got embarrassed during BracketBuster? All top 5 teams in the conference lost. It's the sort of thing that might make someone wonder if winning the regular season title makes a team like MSU worthy of an at-large. Start digging for the best MVC non-conference wins. Its a tough job this year.

Additionally, Missouri State did absolutely nothing out of conference. Losses to Okie State Tulsa and Valpo, 3 non-tournament teams.

[UNI_12]

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You sure showed me. You indicated that the MVC was a Top 10 conference. I provided you with a tool suggesting its not. It doesn't end the discussion on the conferences, but I've yet to see information suggesting otherwise. RPI or not, you aren't convincing me the MVC is a Top 10 conference.

Since you haven't followed as much basketball this year, I will update you on a couple of things, and I won't even need the RPI to do it.

The MVC has been a disaster. Remember a couple of weeks ago when the league got embarrassed during BracketBuster? All top 5 teams in the conference lost. It's the sort of thing that might make someone wonder if winning the regular season title makes a team like MSU worthy of an at-large. Start digging for the best MVC non-conference wins. Its a tough job this year. Additionally, Missouri State did absolutely nothing out of conference. Losses to Okie State Tulsa and Valpo, 3 non-tournament teams.

Completely agree...sadly our win against New Mexico and Wichita State's win in Maui over Virginia look like the MVC's best nonconference wins this year...which is just awful.