Investigation?

[Panther-Sheik]

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When I got married I chose to be loyal to her from that point forward...I don't maintain some allegiance to my high school sweetheart that I was once "in love" with just because she was my first "love". History is just that...history. I am a loyal and faithful Panther...er...I mean, husband.

[JazzPanther]

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so ive been married for awhile and life is fantastic. however, if i go on vacation with the boys I dont suddenly forget about years of a happy marriage simply because i am no longer in the same state as my wife.

if it was about "being your own man" wouldnt it make sense to continue to cheer for ISU despite being on UNI's campus?

I'm sorry, but comparing sports to a marriage isn't quite apples to apples. Thank you Panther-Sheik. I'm glad at least you understand the point.

[PantherHawk]

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Another example, Purdue vs Butler yesterday.

Purdue fans are saying the refs hosed them during the game

Butler fans are saying the refs called a great game?

Another example of people's perceptions of officials.

My brother crew did the 3A game, sorry not the 4A game. It was a typo on my part. But it showed that they were good enough to work one year and then don't even get recognized the next. Shows that officials change and the people who supervise them don't reward them every year. Just an example. Higgins in my mind is not a good official and you won't change that. I also feel the same way about Hightower, Valentine, and Burr.

[Mudrafan]

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People that root for laundry over their alma mater lack self-confidence.

[9YRPLAN]

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I'm sorry, but comparing sports to a marriage isn't quite apples to apples. Thank you Panther-Sheik. I'm glad at least you understand the point.

my point is that its all about perception. just like the ref thing. i love this board and UNI but it lacks any objectivity whatsoever. when mudra hunts me down and slits my throat this place is gonna be overflowing with kool-aid.

[06panther10]

my point is that its all about perception. just like the ref thing. i love this board and UNI but it lacks any objectivity whatsoever. when mudra hunts me down and slits my throat this place is gonna be overflowing with kool-aid.

I will use one the lines that you like to use; "its a message board". But please, continue to bless us all with your objective and intelligent commentary...

At least on this board we are objective enough to not proclaim a massive officiating conspiracy, complete with compiled youtube clips to prove said conspiracy, every time that we lose games.

[sivert]

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Another example, Purdue vs Butler yesterday.

Purdue fans are saying the refs hosed them during the game

Butler fans are saying the refs called a great game?

Another example of people's perceptions of officials.

My brother crew did the 3A game, sorry not the 4A game. It was a typo on my part. But it showed that they were good enough to work one year and then don't even get recognized the next. Shows that officials change and the people who supervise them don't reward them every year. Just an example. Higgins in my mind is not a good official and you won't change that. I also feel the same way about Hightower, Valentine, and Burr.

P-Hawk,
For the sake of argument, I'll grant you that there is a tendency for winning fans to judge refs in a positive light and for losing fans to judge them negatively.

But that does not prove that the refs did a poor job. I suggest to you that in this case the bias on the part of Hawkeye fans is much greater than the bias of the UNI fans. Evidence should easily be found on the irrational response of fans and UofI staff.

1. Read the Hawkeye forums. In the ensuing days, desperately searching for a solution to the problem of loosing to they suggested everything from closing UNI as a school to closing UNI athletics to never playing us again.

2. They repeatedly suggested that we paid the refs. Paid them. This is totally irrational. We're not flush with money. Iowa is NOT a good team. One of the worst teams we've played so far. Why would we bother?

3. Now they don't want to play us. Not just the AD and coach - the fans don't want to play us. Maybe they don't understand how the RPI works, but losing to us was more helpful to their RPI than their win at Northern Illinois (and possibly than their wins at NT A&T and Brown). Not wanting to play UNI is irrational for Iowa. I can understand the emotion behind it, but it's irrational.

4. The UofI Coach demonstrated irrationality from the first minutes of the game. If he had kept his head, his team had a chance to compete and keep it a close game.

Bias could be on either side (or both), but in this case, I see enough irrational behavior permeating the Iowa response that I feel comfortable feeling relatively unbiased here in Cedar Falls.

[9YRPLAN]

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you do realize that the outcome was still in doubt when dannen went on tv and talked about the contract being up right?

iowa fans have talked about ending the current setup for 10-15 years. even when iowa was good and UNI was terrible people wondered why it was played as is. its been argued on this board on dozens of separate occasions.

if you think that iowa fans are serious when they talk about the refs being paid off or closing UNI as a school then i feel sorry for you.

[sivert]

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Well, I'm not sure what you mean by "serious." Perhaps the fans I'm labeling as irrational are also not what you consider "serious." If so, then no, you're right. I know they aren't serious.

[Silent Earl]

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They're serious, but they are not to be taken seriously.

[PantherHawk]

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P-Hawk,
For the sake of argument, I'll grant you that there is a tendency for winning fans to judge refs in a positive light and for losing fans to judge them negatively.

But that does not prove that the refs did a poor job. I suggest to you that in this case the bias on the part of Hawkeye fans is much greater than the bias of the UNI fans. Evidence should easily be found on the irrational response of fans and UofI staff.

1. Read the Hawkeye forums. In the ensuing days, desperately searching for a solution to the problem of loosing to they suggested everything from closing UNI as a school to closing UNI athletics to never playing us again.

2. They repeatedly suggested that we paid the refs. Paid them. This is totally irrational. We're not flush with money. Iowa is NOT a good team. One of the worst teams we've played so far. Why would we bother?

3. Now they don't want to play us. Not just the AD and coach - the fans don't want to play us. Maybe they don't understand how the RPI works, but losing to us was more helpful to their RPI than their win at Northern Illinois (and possibly than their wins at NT A&T and Brown). Not wanting to play UNI is irrational for Iowa. I can understand the emotion behind it, but it's irrational.

4. The UofI Coach demonstrated irrationality from the first minutes of the game. If he had kept his head, his team had a chance to compete and keep it a close game.

Bias could be on either side (or both), but in this case, I see enough irrational behavior permeating the Iowa response that I feel comfortable feeling relatively unbiased here in Cedar Falls.

some fan bases have some irrational people who will believe anything. I never once said the officials were paid off. I know better than to stoop that level, it is never in question. Most officials make 1,000+ a game, why would they jeopardize their career on a UNI/Iowa game?

All my point was, the refs had a bad game (hell no one ever goes 100%) on the year. My point is the winning team sees the officials as good and the losing team sees the officials as horrible.

Everyone makes mistakes, I will say that I had a quote told to me by an old Big Ten official for football when I was working with him, "I'll ref the perfect game, when the coach calls a perfect game, and the fans act perfect." Never gonna happen, so I hope most fans understand that. I realize refs make mistakes and their not going to get it 100% everytime. That is my point and I am done now. Go Panthers & Hawks. Now that the game is over, I can go back to cheering for both.

[williebat]

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I do not know if we have agreed to playing in this Des moines games with ISU and Iowa and drake?

I hope we turn it down. The way I am hearing it is Iowa and Iowa state will continue the home and home.

Why should the best program in the state be playing on a neutral court? Makes no sense.

I say screw them and if they are ever good enough maybe we will meet in march.

[9YRPLAN]

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I do not know if we have agreed to playing in this Des moines games with ISU and Iowa and drake?

I hope we turn it down. The way I am hearing it is Iowa and Iowa state will continue the home and home.

Why should the best program in the state be playing on a neutral court? Makes no sense.

I say screw them and if they are ever good enough maybe we will meet in march.

i agreed with this at first, but it sounds as though telling them to pound sand regarding basketball could put future football games at risk. those games are critical to UNI.

[northwest iowa panther]

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i agreed with this at first, but it sounds as though telling them to pound sand regarding basketball could put future football games at risk. those games are critical to UNI.

Sadly I agree. Our only hold on the current basketball series and future football contracts may be pressure from the board of regents so as to allow us to become more selfsufficient financially. But to add to the marriage analogy "You can force them to the alter, but that won't make for a happy marriage."

[williebat]

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i agreed with this at first, but it sounds as though telling them to pound sand regarding basketball could put future football games at risk. those games are critical to UNI.

I agree those football games are financially important. Shame they can't see that this home and home series in good for the state of Iowa and basketball in general.

Damn I hate being boxed in.