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[Khan4Cats]

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That is a lot of improvement for a team fighting to be mediocre in a mid major conference.

I dont think the defense is better that past years. I guess one could look up shooting percentage and rebound stats to have some tangible analysis vs last year.

Since the shooters are all shooting no better or worse than last year what exactly does that mean?

Last year UNI shot 42.8% as a team, this year we are at 43.7%
from 3 point land last year we shot 34.4%, this year we are at 38.9%
from the free throw line we were 76.2% last year, 73.2% this year-I guess that is where we have gone down

Defensively last year opponents shot 44.5%, this year that has risen, oops dropped to 43.5%
3 point shooting also has dropped from 36.7% last year to 34.8% this year
again, where we have gotten worse is in our free throw defense as opponents are shooting 71.3% this year, up from 69.6% last year

Rebounding? Last year we were outrebounded 29.7 for us to 30.9 for opponents or 1.2 per game. This year we are being outrebounded 31.7 us, 32.1 bad guys, or 0.4 per game. Actually an improvement there.

The difference is in consistency, or inconsistency, either way works. When we are going well-we are fine. When we go cold-we go cold as a group. We are not far off, and could be really dangerous down the stretch if they can find a way to overcome or minimize the off times.

[clenz]

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Last year UNI shot 42.8% as a team, this year we are at 43.7%
from 3 point land last year we shot 34.4%, this year we are at 38.9%
from the free throw line we were 76.2% last year, 73.2% this year-I guess that is where we have gone down

Defensively last year opponents shot 44.5%, this year that has risen, oops dropped to 43.5%
3 point shooting also has dropped from 36.7% last year to 34.8% this year
again, where we have gotten worse is in our free throw defense as opponents are shooting 71.3% this year, up from 69.6% last year

Rebounding? Last year we were outrebounded 29.7 for us to 30.9 for opponents or 1.2 per game. This year we are being outrebounded 31.7 us, 32.1 bad guys, or 0.4 per game. Actually an improvement there.

The difference is in consistency, or inconsistency, either way works. When we are going well-we are fine. When we go cold-we go cold as a group. We are not far off, and could be really dangerous down the stretch if they can find a way to overcome or minimize the off times.

Yep....This team is generally really good about 28-32 minutes a game....problem is there seems to be about an 8-12 minute period during games that the team just falls apart....Worst part is there isn't a rhyme or reason as to when.

[06panther10]

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[KansasCityPanther]

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Yep....This team is generally really good about 28-32 minutes a game....problem is there seems to be about an 8-12 minute period during games that the team just falls apart....Worst part is there isn't a rhyme or reason as to when.

I agree, that is a sign of a young team that hasn't figured out how to win close games or put the other team away. I don't look at stats very often but I bet our turnover to assist ratio is not acceptable. Seems like the dry spells are wrapped around several possessions were we turn the ball over.

[4N6]

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Greg still needs to prove that he can win at Creighton with his own recruits not Jake's.

Had to think about this post for a sec., then it hit me how true this (post) is.

[run&blade]

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Owned? Lol. I was looking at individual stats off the uni webiste. Didnt Sonnen shoot about 50% last year?

I will have to look again.

I guess this team is young. Hell darn near starting 5 true freshmen if you were to listen to some here.

Also kany said this team has guys improving in some cases by 10 times. Yet the numbers are fractions of percentage points.

Fact is this team starts a lot of guys that have played for 3 years. Fact is the freshmen big guy is the best player on the team. Fact is the vets cannot win the close games. Fact is the two returning inside players are unable to play post offense yet have had two or three years of coaching to learn how.

Jake is the best coach in the league but the talent isnt there to win. You guys act like jump shooters get better at shooting every year and just adding a year automatically means improvement. If this team is better next year it will be because of players not currently playing. Not because the chuckers have shot another 10000 jumpers in the off season.

[run&blade]

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As individuals have sonnen koch jakes and moran showed improvement offensively if you look at shootijg percentage? That was my point.


Take away tuttles shooting this year which is very good is the team still shooting a higher percentage than last year.

This team could have 3 seniors starting next year yet we are young this year? lol ok.

[panther-state]

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How many RS and true Sophomores and RS Freshmen will we have next year? It's too early to do simple math in my head

[clenz]

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I believe we have 8 or 9 freshman/rs freshman n the roster this year...out of 16 listed on the roster

[Khan4Cats]

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Owned? Lol. I was looking at individual stats off the uni webiste. Didnt Sonnen shoot about 50% last year?

I will have to look again.

I guess this team is young. Hell darn near starting 5 true freshmen if you were to listen to some here.

Also kany said this team has guys improving in some cases by 10 times. Yet the numbers are fractions of percentage points.

Fact is this team starts a lot of guys that have played for 3 years. Fact is the freshmen big guy is the best player on the team. Fact is the vets cannot win the close games. Fact is the two returning inside players are unable to play post offense yet have had two or three years of coaching to learn how.

Jake is the best coach in the league but the talent isnt there to win. You guys act like jump shooters get better at shooting every year and just adding a year automatically means improvement. If this team is better next year it will be because of players not currently playing. Not because the chuckers have shot another 10000 jumpers in the off season.

If by 50% for Sonnen, you meant the 32% he did shoot last year, you are probably right. If you confused AJ and Sonnen (easy to do I know with the tattoos and all) then you have your 50% shooter from last year.

That is the biggest difference this year from last. AJ took about 9.4 shots per game, this year he is up to 12.8 (Kwadzo took about 10.55 shots a game last year). Koch is shooting at about the same clip (6.61 this year up from 6.56 last), Sonnen is shooting about 50 percent more (6.68 shots now over 4.5 last) and Moran is shooting less (6.56 this to 8.38 last).

As for percentages, AJ is down. He shot 50% overall and 41.3 from 3 last year and is down to 38.7 overall and 36.1 from 3. He also has decreased the amount of threes he has attempted in his shot selections from about 1/3 to about 1/4 this year.

Moran's shooting is also down from 41.1/36.7 to 35.2/33.3, while his percentage of threes selected has gone up from 62% to 66% of his attempts.

Sonnen's numbers have improved A LOT, from 32.0/32.5 to 45.6/45.2. His selection for deep shots has gone up slightly from roughly 1/2 last year to 57% this year.

And in a real shocker, Koch's numbers are virtually identical. 41.3/35.4 last year to 41.7/35.1 this year. His shot selection may surprise folks as he has attempted 53% of his shots from 3 this year, which is DOWN from the 58% he attempted last year.

As a team we took 42.7% of our shots from three last year, this year any guesses? That's right DOWN to 39.5%

We had a 1.14 A/TO ratio last year that is down to 1.02 this year, however last year we forced about 12 TO's a game that has risen to over 13 per game this year.

What do the numbers tell us? We are pretty much the same as last year overall. Where one area is down, another area is up. Again, the thing has been inconsistency and having stretches of games where we, for whatever reason, have not been "on". There was a good article in the paper this week talking about the fluctuations of what has gone wrong and when, and how there is no specific pattern. Slow start one game, flat in the middle another, cold ending in some others. Poor outside shooting one night, poor lay-ups another, poor free throw shooting another. Defense has generally been good, but not quite good enough to always get us there and we have just not made quite enoug plays. Plenty of games this year where one stop on the defensive end and an offensive conversion wold have changed the result. Still room and time to make those things happen.

[9YRPLAN]

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we are young in the sense that this core group of guys doesnt know how to win. sure they were on the sweet sixteen team, but they were spectators in crunch time.

thats why i am so calm this year. i really didnt expect much this year. next year is the year that i think we can make some noise in march.

[hoopfan]

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I believe we have 8 or 9 freshman/rs freshman n the roster this year...out of 16 listed on the roster

I completely disagree that we are too young and all are problems are because we are young. I've asked this question under another topic, but since youth seems to be the issue on this post, I'll ask it again...when will "we are young" not be an excuse anymore? I think we only have 3 seniors next year(4 including Pehl) and 2 Jrs. So if we struggle next year, no big deal, we're young. The following year, Chip and Morrison will be the only seniors. Are we still young then?

I get it that young players will have lapses or struggle from time to time during a game/season. While that has occasionally happened, the issue has been the lack of consistent production from AJ and Jake and basically no production from Johnny.

In reality, we are playing 4 Jrs and 1 sr. this year. The best player the last month has been a freshman. The other freshman has had his minutes cut in favor of the older guards, but we have continued to struggle more. There have been calls to play Chip and Morrison more from some on this site, but if we do that we are playing more young players, which will only throw fuel on everyone's "we are young" fire.

[Hail Our Panthers]

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Next year's freshmen: Bohannon, Lyle, Olivier
Next year's sophomores: Tuttle, Singleton, Mitchell, Buss, Martino

I'm assuming that Pehl's scholarship will be given back and we don't sign anyone. Although nothing official ever came out as to who gave his scholarship up, right?

We're young (according to our class-per-minute) stat, but not that young in comparison to our conference and the rest of the nation. Of the guys who actually see the floor, we are the 4th youngest in the conference and rank in the 38th percentile nationally. CU is very comparable in class-per-minute rankings, and they are lightyears ahead of us at this point. But looking at the list as a whole, they are the outlier, not us. I think we're progressing pretty well.

[run&blade]

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In two years uni will be very young. Until than they are not.

[DownGoesKansas]

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in two years uni will be very young. Until than they are not.

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