Who wants to play in Carver next week?

[Kyle]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Having a whole team return doesn't always mean improvement and losing several starters doesn't necessarily equal regression.

Signed,

UNI, ISUred, and WSU

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Iowa states incoming jucos are role players at best

[Hoiball]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Iowa states incoming jucos are role players at best

Have you seen hogue or Amardi play? Both are very strong and can jump out of the gym. They won't be needed for scoring with niang, ejim, Thomas and the sleeper for best player Dorsey-walker.

[Hoiball]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Have you seen iowas bench offense or overall shooting? He's going to play a ton

Isu has two good freshmen coming in, but they are really lacking on the block. They redshirted walker last year but I don't see any way they don't take a step back with what they lose, especially on defense

I don't see how we can be any worse on d next year than we are this year. The big juccos will help IMO.

[Hoiball]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Often times with juco or transfer U, you have to be willing and able to babysit and put up with more "issues". After the Olivier experiment I don't see Jake being too eager to jump into that coaching philosophy (like Hoiberg or Marshall). Ironically, a similar question was posed to Coach Schwab the other night and he answered it in a very similar way.

That's a pretty big myth, not one of Fred's juccos or transfers have been in any trouble in their time at Iowa state.

[Hoiball]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Anyway enough about Iowa state, this is a panther board. Don't want to become a pathetic troll like some of the hawk fans on here lol.

[06panther10]

SI's bubble watch pretty much sums it up perfectly regarding Iowa:

Iowa (21-12, 9-9; RPI: 77, SOS: 97)
The bottom line is Iowa didn’t schedule great in nonconference play and then whiffed on all six chances they had for a top-25 win. Seven of their 10 league wins, including the Big Ten tournament, were over Northwestern, Purdue, Nebraska and Penn State. The Hawkeyes may have made it with a win over Michigan State in the quarterfinals, but it looks like a tough case now. They would be the worst RPI ever included as an at-large.

GW: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa State?
BL: At Virginia Tech, at Purdue?, at Nebraska

[williebat]

SI's bubble watch pretty much sums it up perfectly regarding Iowa:

Iowa (21-12, 9-9; RPI: 77, SOS: 97)
The bottom line is Iowa didn’t schedule great in nonconference play and then whiffed on all six chances they had for a top-25 win. Seven of their 10 league wins, including the Big Ten tournament, were over Northwestern, Purdue, Nebraska and Penn State. The Hawkeyes may have made it with a win over Michigan State in the quarterfinals, but it looks like a tough case now. They would be the worst RPI ever included as an at-large.

GW: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa State?
BL: At Virginia Tech, at Purdue?, at Nebraska

There is the flip side to this. If Iowa would have scheduled tougher they would have many more losses. Either way it comes out in the wash. Iowa is not NCAA at large deserving this year.

They are like the opposite of us with similar results.

You can say if we would have scheduled easier we would have three more wins and an nit bid though. imho

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

That's a pretty big myth, not one of Fred's juccos or transfers have been in any trouble in their time at Iowa state.

I don't think it's a myth. It's a fact that a juco kid went to juco for a reason, usually grades. A coach and staff will have to watch that very closely in their career usually. Babb, Lucious, White, Amardi and Hogue have all been suspended in their college careers, too. Babb while at ISU. I think Hoiberg has done a great job with the player development and the "people" development so not trying to bash on him or ISU. But the fact is that taking jucos usually involves more baggage and some coaches (I think Jake and Schwab fit this) choose not to mess with it while other coaches (Hoiberg, Marshall, Huggins) feel the risk is worth the reward. You also have to have a school and an A.D. that are willing to accept the risk / reward and I don't think UNI is in this category.

[9YRPLAN]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Yes, I follow iowa juco ball rather closely.

Did you miss the huge fight at the end of the year?

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Having a whole team return doesn't always mean improvement and losing several starters doesn't necessarily equal regression.

Signed,

UNI, ISUred, and WSU

Yep, 9-9 last year, 11-7 this year. That's not improvement.

[Hoiball]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Yes, I follow iowa juco ball rather closely.

Did you miss the huge fight at the end of the year?

What does that have to do with their ability on the floor? Neither player will be world beaters but they are going to be huge for deffense and rebounding.

[williebat]

Yes, I follow iowa juco ball rather closely.

Did you miss the huge fight at the end of the year?

Yes and I blame Burlington.

[Hoiball]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

I don't think it's a myth. It's a fact that a juco kid went to juco for a reason, usually grades. A coach and staff will have to watch that very closely in their career usually. Babb, Lucious, White, Amardi and Hogue have all been suspended in their college careers, too. Babb while at ISU. I think Hoiberg has done a great job with the player development and the "people" development so not trying to bash on him or ISU. But the fact is that taking jucos usually involves more baggage and some coaches (I think Jake and Schwab fit this) choose not to mess with it while other coaches (Hoiberg, Marshall, Huggins) feel the risk is worth the reward. You also have to have a school and an A.D. that are willing to accept the risk / reward and I don't think UNI is in this category.

Thats fair enough, I guess I did forget about babb's little pot smoking incident. I just don't like to see all transfers and juccos labeled as bad kids. A guy like will clyburn has been nothing but a first class citizen. Only reason why he went jucco was because he didn't get recruited out of high school and the only reason why he transfered was because his coach got canned at Utah.

[Kyle]

Re: Who wants to play in Carver next week?

Yep, 9-9 last year, 11-7 this year. That's not improvement.

Way to cherry pick the only stat showing (small) improvement when every other measurement says we are the basically the same team.