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  • Why CIT vs CBI?

    I get that this thread could easily be titled "Picking between only ugly girls to take the prom." None are going to be prom queen. However, I'm curious if anyone knows why we're in the CIT over the CBI? Dannen tweeted something about "Its either the NIT or the CIT" after the MVC tourney game so its clear they had already stated their intentions to the CIT. Was the experience that great the last time that made it worth going again? I would think trying something new would be more interesting, no?

    I'm just curious if anyone knows the true reason why? My hunch is it has something to do with money because all other signs point to the CBI being a superior ugly prom date.

    Consider:
    • Strength of Competition - Avg RPI of the CBI field is 124.5 vs CIT average of 157.5. I understand there could be other metrics but this is the easiest to compare. Four out of 16 CBI teams have an RPI of 100 or greater, with no one over 200. Only four out of 32 CIT teams have 100 or greater RPIs and five of them are 200 or worse (Chicago State is at 318, in fact).
    • Name brand teams- The CBI, for all its warts, has name brands in Purdue & Texas who, despite down years, would bring infinitely more excitement for our fans than any of the 31 other teams in the CIT. In fact the inclusion of Purdue is important and points to perhaps a growing strength of the tourney considering it was thought in the past that the B10 teams as a rule would not stoop lower than the NIT. A best of three, guranteeing Texas or Purdue has to come to the Mcleod at least once, would in fact be exciting, IMO. (Of note, the CIT does not accept BCS schools.)
    • History - Historically, the CBI always has bigger names hoisting the trophy with Oregon State, Oregon, Tulsa VCU and Pitt winning in previous years compared to Missouri State, ODU, Santa Clara and Mercer in the CIT. I don't think I need to say much beyond that.
    • Coverage - CBI games are broadcast on AXS -- some of you may recognize this as the channel that did part of the Battle for Atlantis tournament. Is it a great channel? No. In fact not a ton of households get it. But it IS on tv for all rounds. Compare that to the CIT which does hold the championship on CBS Sports, otherwise it's an online-only product. Maybe this one is a wash, at best.
    • Sponsorship - Not that in means much in terms of on-court play, but I doubt Buick would sponsor utter crap, and they are the presnting sponsor of the CBI. The CIT appears to be sponsored by a basketball camp and a graphic designer, judging by the crappy logos that you can click on at the bottom of the site.


    At the end of the day, none of this really matters as neither of these are prom dates worth framing pictures of on our desk; but being bored and snowed in I figured it was worth asking if anyone had insider info on the decision process.

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    Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

    I think it's about money. I heard it costs more to host CBI games. That, and I'm wondering if we have a relationship with the organizers of the CIT for recruiting and scheduling.
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    • #3
      Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

      It's money. CBI home games cost $65k for the first three rounds and 100k for the championship.

      CIT games cost $35k for the first 3 rounds, $45k for the Semis, and $50k for the championship.

      From what I understand, Jake is only interested in these tournaments if we can play home games. The CIT is the cheaper option and the Title game is on a channel that many, many more people get...

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      • #4
        Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

        From what was said at the press luncheon, it sounds like there are relationships there from a couple of years ago. And I agree... if we're going to do it, we want to be able to do it at home.
        "...the Northern Iowa men's basketball team reached the ultimate highs before hitting a devastating low. Unexpected success, followed by unimaginable failure. And they owned it -- all of it -- for the world to see. Like men. Like leaders. Like champions -- in a way no tournament bracket could ever define."

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        • #5
          Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

          Thanks for the info. Makes a lot of sense when you lay it out like that.

          I have to admit, I was stunned to see CBS sports did the final -- that definitely is a nice perk. If we could somehow make it there and host with 5K+ in the stands, that would be a fun consolation prize and would play well on TV.

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          • #6
            Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

            If I was uni and said "u can be in cit and play north dakota" I'd say "go take a flying leap!" UNI deserves better seriously.

            CBI has bcs schools texas purdue
            Cit is mid majors only.
            UNI has #2 Dome in MVFC, but Ice Lounge rocks! BisoNation.com

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            • #7
              Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

              Im pretty sure the CIT is organized by the same group that has set us up in some preseason tournaments in years past. I could be wrong about that.

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              • #8
                Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                Originally posted by lakesbison View Post
                If I was uni and said "u can be in cit and play north dakota" I'd say "go take a flying leap!" UNI deserves better seriously.

                CBI has bcs schools texas purdue
                Cit is mid majors only.
                Shocker. You ignored all previous things written in this thread.
                "...the Northern Iowa men's basketball team reached the ultimate highs before hitting a devastating low. Unexpected success, followed by unimaginable failure. And they owned it -- all of it -- for the world to see. Like men. Like leaders. Like champions -- in a way no tournament bracket could ever define."

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                • #9
                  Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                  Wait, we missed out on playing two terrible BCS teams with losing records??

                  What were we thinking?!?!?!

                  FIRE DANNEN!!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                    Originally posted by Born-a-Panther View Post
                    Shocker. You ignored all previous things written in this thread.
                    Lakes has a 10-word reading limit to any post.

                    SUBMIT REPLY takes precedence over reading comprehension.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                      Originally posted by lakesbison View Post
                      If I was uni and said "u can be in cit and play north dakota" I'd say "go take a flying leap!" UNI deserves better seriously.

                      CBI has bcs schools texas purdue
                      Cit is mid majors only.
                      Wait, does the CBI have BCS schools? I'm have difficulties figuring out which tournament has BCS schools and which one doesn't. Could you please clarify?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                        If you're going to play in a tournament that literally no one is going to pay attention to, make it the cheaper one.

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                          Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                          Originally posted by Newsbreaker View Post
                          If you're going to play in a tournament that literally no one is going to pay attention to, make it the cheaper one.
                          this is absolutely correct.

                          I hope we break even financially. Does the road team get any $$ I wonder?
                          "I think they're very good," Farley said of the preseason top 25 Hawkeyes. "But so are we."

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                            Straight cash homey?
                            UNI has #2 Dome in MVFC, but Ice Lounge rocks! BisoNation.com

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why CIT vs CBI?

                              What does an nit game cost?
                              (217): Just watched a UNI fan at the bar lick the tears off of a KU fans face.. See what march madness does to people

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