OT: Rutgers Head Coach Mike Rice is not a good person

[jnutt]

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9yr. Were you on speech and debate in high school?

[UNIChippewa]

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Pitino was too busy thinking about firing his balls at some lady in the kitchen at the restaurant next door to the arena.

I woke up fifteen minutes ago and I don't think I'll laugh as hard at anything else for the rest of the day.

[UNIChippewa]

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its a completely fair question. if you cant defend your comments, then its probably best to keep quiet.

been served any restraining orders lately?

Alright 9YR, since you love to ask questions and demand answers here's one for you since it's only fair to be able to answer questions yourself, right?

Why do you feel that it is perfectly acceptable, perhaps in your eyes even desirable, for Mike Rice and at least one of his assistant coaches to have conducted his practices in the manner that they did?

[1988]

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1988 should be restrained from using apostrophes.

My friend Mike taught me how to use apostrophes so be careful.

[1988]

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its a completely fair question. if you cant defend your comments, then its probably best to keep quiet.

been served any restraining orders lately?

Used the shift key lately? 6 restraining orders.

[panther2317]

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I'll take a shot at it. I think basic training is preparing young men and women to do the unthinkable on a daily basis. Protect their life, protect the lives of their squad and potentially, to take the life of the enemy.

Basketball coaches are preparing their players to learn how to efficiently play a game. Hopefully they are teaching them how to work hard, play within the rules and if they don't win,to learn from their mistakes and to lose with class. See, sports practices are a classroom. Would you be ok if a professor of any subject acted like Mike Rice?

Military training is preparing to stay alive...kill or be killed. There is a huge difference in my opinion.

I think it's a fair question by 9yr, because so many use military references in reference to sports.

[SteinPizza]

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2317, I agree with everything you said above, with the exception that college basketball is a win or else level of sports. Teaching, not as much, but it is there.

I saw a few of the video clips on ESPN, and I've got a little different take now. The physical part of it wasn't as bad as I thought. Grabbing, throwing balls, etc., could've been worse. Should he have been doing it, no, but it's borderline fireable IMO. Keep in mind I saw this on ESPN, who presumably is only going to show the worst parts and sensationalize it. If he threw balls at players heads, I didn't see it. As I said earlier, if he was throwing balls at players heads, he got damn lucky he didn't misfire and hit someone, break a nose etc. If that were to happen, the player in question has carte' blanche' to kick the living crap out of him, IMO. And, file an assault charge against him to boot.

All that said, what I saw had no audio. If he was using racial and anti-gay slurs, then someone should throw the book at him. Neither of those have any place in civilized society. If he was challenging the manhood of his players, fine, but find different ways to do it. Racial garbage, on the other hand, no excuse, and there is no justified way of expressing that or context for it's use. If the audio portion can be proven, then Rutgers needed to get him the hell out from the start.

[UNIChippewa]

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[QUOTE=panther2317;352950]I'll take a shot at it. I think basic training is preparing young men and women to do the unthinkable on a daily basis. Protect their life, protect the lives of their squad and potentially, to take the life of the enemy.

Basketball coaches are preparing their players to learn how to efficiently play a game. Hopefully they are teaching them how to work hard, play within the rules and if they don't win,to learn from their mistakes and to lose with class. See, sports practices are a classroom. Would you be ok if a professor of any subject acted like Mike Rice?

Military training is preparing to stay alive...kill or be killed. There is a huge difference in my opinion.

I think it's a fair question by 9yr, because so many use military references in reference to sports.[/QUOTE]

This is what I tried to convey myself earlier in the thread, but you stated it much more eloquently than I was able to.

To the bolded section; I'm a pretty big sports fan, but one of my biggest pet peeves is when I hear announcers, coaches, analysts, etc., refer to an upcoming game as a "war" or "battle" or anything like that. At the risk of sounding like an oversensitive ninny any sort of comparison between a sport and a "battle" is an insult to anyone who has actually ever experienced war, both uniformed personell and non-combatant alike. It's a stupid comparison to make IMO and needs to stop immeadiately.

[9YRPLAN]

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Alright 9YR, since you love to ask questions and demand answers here's one for you since it's only fair to be able to answer questions yourself, right?

Why do you feel that it is perfectly acceptable, perhaps in your eyes even desirable, for Mike Rice and at least one of his assistant coaches to have conducted his practices in the manner that they did?

AT NO POINT DID I SAY IT WAS ACCEPTABLE. i said that i didnt have a huge problem with it. (until i saw the asst video at least). big difference in my eyes. nothing jumped out at me as being overly abusive. i surely didnt go out of my way to defend him, but most of the outrage here seems to be a product of viral social media. i am not sure that your average fall camp football practice is any better than this.

so, for the sake of discussion, i brought up a question because so often we see sports compared to war (pro combat, anyone?). where do you think Bob Knight and Coach K learned their coaching style?

so, as society as clearly moved beyond this treatment as being deemed acceptable, i ask why it is acceptable in the military? do we know that this is what creates the most effective and soldier and leader, or are we just sticking with the status quo? i dont know the answer, thats why i posed the question. i assume that studies show that breaking someone down and building them back up is the best way to form a motivated, reliable, and efficient warrior. if thats the case, can you blame leaders outside of the military for wanting to apply the same principles?

[BCPanther]

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The AD just got the axe...

[9YRPLAN]

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The AD just got the axe...

did you guys see the new video of the assistant? unless i missed something in the rice footage, that was waaaaayyy worse. the assistant video was completely unacceptable. that wasnt motivation...there was real hate on display there. i figured the AD was gone as soon as that video came out.

[9YRPLAN]

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Used the shift key lately? 6 restraining orders.

there are few things more effective than the CAPS LOCK BURN!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!!

[9YRPLAN]

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9yr. Were you on speech and debate in high school?

we didnt have a debate team. i came in the first day, dominated, and they shut it down.

remember, if you arent here to argue and discussion, but rather meet new people and find friends, there is always the Happy Panthers Club.

[jnutt]

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[jnutt]

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we didnt have a debate team. i came in the first day, dominated, and they shut it down.

remember, if you arent here to argue and discussion, but rather meet new people and find friends, there is always the Happy Panthers Club.

do they provide Happy Endings?

Johnny Drama