Up Next: Iowa State

[hoopfan]

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So do the out of control layups. It's getting absurd. A junior veteran PG has a 1.08 A-TO ratio. That is putrid. I hate harping on the negatives of 18-22 year old student athletes so I'll keep putting this back on the coaches. This kid is a talent, but they can't seem to harness it. And until they do and preach more discipline so he becomes an asset, not a liability, I am fine with his mins being more and more limited. He was a -15 on the court tonight. That is UNACCEPTABLE.

Kwadzo had a A-TO ratio of .93 his junior year and we went to the Sweet 16. That was also with a year to redshirt and watch film and get a better understanding of the game. Deon's been forced to play since day 1. The only difference is the talent level surrounding the 2 players. We ran an actual offense when Kwadzo was a junior. Right now we have Deon bring it up, then dribble 25 feet from the hoop until Tuttle sets a ball screen. The other 3 guys are all standing on the 3 point line waiting for Deon to kick it out. There is no motion or anything away from the ball. With the ball in Deon's hands as much as it is, you are going to have some turnovers. There should also be some assists in there, but he needs someone to make a shot or a layup for that to be recorded. Right now, Bo is shooting 29% from 3, Chip is 34%, Wes is 0%, Morgan is 28% and Tuttle is 28%. Hard to register a high amount of assists when the people you are kicking it out to are shooting that poorly. Buss is at 50%, but I would imagine he is going to see a lot more pressure going forward.

Similar to a lack of development in our post players, Deon has yet to develop a 15 foot pull up jumper....

[BCPanther]

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Marvin is a man without a position. If he would have played inside last night, Niang and Ejim would have embarrassed him and if he tried to play on the perimeter, Long, Thomas, and Kane would have been going around him shooting layups.

I think the staff thought that once he concentrated solely on basketball he'd make big strides and it just hasn't happened.

[achrist70]

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BC is spot on there, if Marvin was 2-3 inches taller he would easily be Tuttle's backup and Friedman would be redshirting.

[hoopfan]

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Marvin is a man without a position. If he would have played inside last night, Niang and Ejim would have embarrassed him and if he tried to play on the perimeter, Long, Thomas, and Kane would have been going around him shooting layups.

I think the staff thought that once he concentrated solely on basketball he'd make big strides and it just hasn't happened.

What strides were they expecting him to make? He is too small to play in the post and he isn't quick enough to guard on the perimeter. Those are two things that no amount of work in the offseason is going to correct. I'm not questioning you BC, because you are spot on with the assessment of him not having a position, I'm questioning the recruitment of him. From what should have been a great recruiting class coming off a Sweet 16, only 2 of the 5 have panned out. You can say that by Lyle and Olivier transferring we were able to get Washpun and Jesperson, but that is flawed thinking since Deon and Seth will only play 2 seasons with Wes and 1 with Jespersen. What was once considered the best recruiting class we have ever had, now has a 40% success rate. Not a recipe for long term success in your program.

[achrist70]

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I don't think Bohannon has been a failure

[UNI MadCat]

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Kwadzo had a A-TO ratio of .93 his junior year and we went to the Sweet 16. That was also with a year to redshirt and watch film and get a better understanding of the game. Deon's been forced to play since day 1. The only difference is the talent level surrounding the 2 players. We ran an actual offense when Kwadzo was a junior. Right now we have Deon bring it up, then dribble 25 feet from the hoop until Tuttle sets a ball screen. The other 3 guys are all standing on the 3 point line waiting for Deon to kick it out. There is no motion or anything away from the ball. With the ball in Deon's hands as much as it is, you are going to have some turnovers. There should also be some assists in there, but he needs someone to make a shot or a layup for that to be recorded. Right now, Bo is shooting 29% from 3, Chip is 34%, Wes is 0%, Morgan is 28% and Tuttle is 28%. Hard to register a high amount of assists when the people you are kicking it out to are shooting that poorly. Buss is at 50%, but I would imagine he is going to see a lot more pressure going forward.

Similar to a lack of development in our post players, Deon has yet to develop a 15 foot pull up jumper....

I get your point about within the offense but something that has always concerned me much more about his play -- KA didn't run recklessly down the lane 1-2 or-3 or-4 and throw up terrible shots that turn into transition opportunities for the opponent. These show up in the box score as missed shots but they are essentially turnovers and are huge missed opportunities.

I don't know if I can agree with you on the shooting since historically Deon has a much better shooting pct than KA (just think if he didn't miss all those layups!). KA was nearly 80% from the FT line for his career and Deon is under 70%, which is a big difference. I think it speaks to KA was just a clutch guy that was a huge floor leader and a calming presence. Deon reminds me of one of those old electronic football guys…buzzing and rattling around but you never know where he's going to end up. He doesn't exactly put you at ease out there.

Where I think we -- and many others -- are agreeing is that this comes down to coaching. Whether in player development or overall surrounding talent, DM is put into a far more stressful situation than KA ever was and therefore the comparisons aren't really fair. I just feel like by the time he leaves we will feel like we wasted a pretty talented kid's career because the staff couldn't harness his energy to make it more positive and couldn't surround him with guys that would instill more confidence so he didn't try to do it all.

[OhNewby]

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I think people should keep in mind that KA was our best point guard, ever. Deon has struggled this year, along with Tuttle, but it may be from trying to do too much. Hopefully our "newcomer" class (In my mind, Wes and Buss have basically never seen the court in D1 bball, along with Morgan who is a frosh) will continue to come along and make both of them look better.

That being said, we need to learn how to win games. We been in every single game, sometimes with huge leads, and we're 3-5.

[BCPanther]

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We've also sent a really young team on the road for a month. I strongly believe that things are a bit different if any of these games were at home. Especially Mason and Milwaukee.

[achrist70]

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Yes, we had not had a D1 game at home, probably the only D1 team that can say that.

[DownGoesKansas]

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We've also sent a really young team on the road for a month. I strongly believe that things are a bit different if any of these games were at home. Especially Mason and Milwaukee.

I agree with the road part. But I would argue that we are not that young of a team. Except for Morgan most of our team that plays is 3 years out of hs. I think thats long enough to not use that excuse anymore.

[run&blade]

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Jake was McD's head recruiter

Nick Saban has a lead recruiter also and you can bet the farm that guy wouldnt pull in the talent he does without Saban.

[panther-state]

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Nick Saban has a lead recruiter also and you can bet the farm that guy wouldnt pull in the talent he does without Saban.

So you're saying we need to steal Mac from Creighton?

[BCPanther]

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Yep, just look at all that amazing talent Mac pulled in at Iowa State. Sean Haluska, Brian Peterson, Ross Marsden. Man, what a group!

BTW, he had absolutely nothing to do with the recruitment of Craig Brackens. Was a neighbor of one of his assistants. Daniyal Robinson, iirc.

[run&blade]

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Uni focused on post players more when mac was in town.

[sivert]

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Nick Saban has a lead recruiter also and you can bet the farm that guy wouldnt pull in the talent he does without Saban.

huh? Whatever analogy you want to make between Nick Saban and MacD is a fail.