Arch Madness no more?

[9YRPLAN]

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Attendance didn't seem great this year.

[panther-state]

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Attendance didn't seem great this year.

Same can be said for the conference and a lot of teams. I'd bet there is a positive correlation there.

[Codytwo]

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I'm guessing the lack of parity toward the top of the conference and the loss of Creighton resulted in decreased attendance at Archmadness this year. Going into Archmadness everyone knew that Wichita State was going to win the tournament, so why travel to watch your team lose? Secondly, there's absolutely no way that Loyola's number of fans matched the amount of fans Creighton brought to Archmadness each year.

[Kyle]

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I believe Arch Maddness is the highest attended mid major conference tournament and possibly the only mid major conference tournament on network television. How does this translate financially? I have no clue.

[06panther10]

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People can try to make attendance an issue all they want, but the fact is that Arch Madness, even in "down" attendance years surpasses a good majority of conference tournaments and that includes the high major tournaments. The Pac12 had to move their tournament from the Staples Center in LA to a small arena in Vegas because the the arena was empty every year.

[9YRPLAN]

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true, but i think a switch to KC for a couple years, or a rotation, would keep things fresh and popular.

[06panther10]

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I realize that these are last year's numbers, and the loss of Creighton will bring these numbers down a bit this year, but last season the Valley averaged more per session at Arch Madness than the MWC, the SEC, and the Pac12 at over 14K per session.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...ttend/2013.pdf

[06panther10]

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true, but i think a switch to KC for a couple years, or a rotation, would keep things fresh and popular.

I'm fine with that, and I would welcome KC for sure. I think KC would be great, logical, and fun choice to mix in every once and a while.

I just don't like when people make up reasons for moving up, such as lack of interest and attendance, both of which are not at all true.

[Kyle]

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This graphic was posted on MVCfans.com

[achrist70]

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I realize that these are last year's numbers, and the loss of Creighton will bring these numbers down a bit this year, but last season the Valley averaged more per session at Arch Madness than the MWC, the SEC, and the Pac12 at over 14K per session.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...ttend/2013.pdf

I call BS on some of those numbers mainly because Madison Square Garden and Bankers Life Field House don't hold the number that those tournaments had per session.

[Born-a-Panther]

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I would totally be open to switching between St. Louis and Kansas City every other year or every two years. In fact, Kansas City would serve me well for work purposes, too. Chicago and Vegas?? NO PLEASE!!!

[panther-state]

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This graphic was posted on MVCfans.com

Kinda misleading since 2013 was CU's last year and was extremely well attended by Creighton and Wichita fans. Too small of a sample size to make concrete judgements.

[JayJ79]

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Kinda misleading since 2013 was CU's last year and was extremely well attended by Creighton and Wichita fans. Too small of a sample size to make concrete judgements.

not really misleading at all. just supports the notion that Creighton leaving had a big negative effect on the conference, at least on the short term.

[panther-state]

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not really misleading at all. just supports the notion that Creighton leaving had a big negative effect on the conference, at least on the short term.

It makes the effect seem like a much bigger drop off when you don't have past figures to compare to. I'd guess 2013 was one of the most well attended tournaments the conference has had in recent years. I have a hard time believing that our Friday/Saturday attendance dropping about 30-35% in a two year comparison can be attributed to a recent lack of interest/attendance by the conference as a whole rather than, as you stated, due to the departure of a fan base with the $$ to travel well.

I was focusing on that graphic as evidence that St Louis has run its course and it's time for action before things get worse. I would disagree with that sentiment.

[Kyle]

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I'm pretty sure the 2004-2007 attendance numbers look much better than the 2013 numbers.

SIU used to bring a ton of fans to St. Louis. The now have about 350 people making that 90 mile trip.