Jay Bilas on PTI: UNI "Real Deal"

[UNIDebo]

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But But Jacobsen can't recruit big guys...... He's not 7 foot or a JUCO!!!!!!!!!!!

[UNIpanther99]

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Mac's record since leaving UNI, minus the 4 dumb luck Doug years, is remarkably terrible. Awful.

And even with Doug, they were never able to make the sweet sixteen. Creighton actually hasn't been that far in the modern era of the tournament.

[TravelingPanther]

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Mac's record since leaving UNI, minus the 4 dumb luck Doug years, is remarkably terrible. Awful.

You would think that people would want to come play with Doug and that he would have had talent stacked for the years after Doug's departure.

[run&blade]

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But But Jacobsen can't recruit big guys...... He's not 7 foot or a JUCO!!!!!!!!!!!

Mac actually recruited some very nice players to iowa state. His problem was he couldn't let them play. He always forced the meat grinder style on them and they left or under performed.

Outside Tuttle uni's recruiting of Big men, heck even power forwards has been poor. Hopefully Koch and Friedman show something next year but they both clearly have a lot of work to do.

Ever been to an Indian Hills game? The athletes they have are incredible and you can see a couple of them playing for iowa state. Call me crazy but I would much rather take a flier on some juco player player with an incredible upside than stock pile the bench with a bunch of unathletic guys that will never contribute significantly.

Uni has had a few nice juco players in the past. Also nice to see uni attract some transfers. I would also lime to see them try some foreign players if opportunity knocks. You should try 'll avenues and not poo poo them.

If those opinions make me a hater than so be it.

[panther-state]

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Mac actually recruited some very nice players to iowa state. His problem was he couldn't let them play. He always forced the meat grinder style on them and they left or under performed.

Outside Tuttle uni's recruiting of Big men, heck even power forwards has been poor. Hopefully Koch and Friedman show something next year but they both clearly have a lot of work to do.

Ever been to an Indian Hills game? The athletes they have are incredible and you can see a couple of them playing for iowa state. Call me crazy but I would much rather take a flier on some juco player player with an incredible upside than stock pile the bench with a bunch of unathletic guys that will never contribute significantly.

Uni has had a few nice juco players in the past. Also nice to see uni attract some transfers. I would also lime to see them try some foreign players if opportunity knocks. You should try 'll avenues and not poo poo them.

If those opinions make me a hater than so be it.

Those opinions aren't what get you flak. The idea that we have a bunch of unathletic dudes is what gets you flak. We're still waiting for you to name one of them that gets or has gotten heavy minutes in the past few years. As far as I can tell you must think guys like Tuttle, Eglseder, Koch(s) and O'Rear were "unathletic". I have no idea who else you are referencing.

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Those opinions aren't what get you flak. The idea that we have a bunch of unathletic dudes is what gets you flak. We're still waiting for you to name one of them that gets or has gotten heavy minutes in the past few years. As far as I can tell you must think guys like Tuttle, Eglseder, Koch(s) and O'Rear were "unathletic". I have no idea who else you are referencing.

Uni did not have enough have athletic dudes. That is why they went four years of nothing. Top three in the valley meant nothing than because it was a two team league and 400 miles in the rear view mirror was uni and the rest.

There is a reason martino doesn't play anymore. There is a reason Rank never played in an ncaa tournament game. The reason is they were not good enough and therefore the team didn't get it done. You are what your record says you are and for the last four years the talent wasn't there.

The biggest reason this team is kicking butt this year is addition by subtraction.

I hope after this year it doesn't take four more years to get back to the tournament. I hope this time the recruiting gets an jolt.

[Purrrrrfect]

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so you are solely basing the team being subpar (and still getting 20 wins and making postseason play and never having a losing season) as not having athletic guys that can play D1. could of fooled me. Rank did fine in his years here, just utilized him in a inefficient way. I could have told you Martino would never be a star but he didn't have to be. Jury is still out on Deon but I know he isn't a post player. Bennett Koch will likely be very good. I said it when he was a senior in hs. It takes 2-3 years to build a veteran group and play team ball and make a splash once in a blue moon. 2005-06, 2009-10, 2014-15. If they weren't athletic enough to play D1, they wouldn't be..but with a little intelligence and will power they offset any "unathletic ability" they may have.

When playing NCAA on Ps3 (then and now-i busted out NCAA 09 midseason just to enjoy)...that's all i ever recruit is for Intelligence and Potential, never skills or athletic. And it always works out the same.

[orangetennis]

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Didn't Jacobson recruit most of those kids himself, though, as McDermott's right-hand man? I know they were technically signed on McDermott's watch, but I'm pretty sure Jacobson was the man behind the curtain and did most of the heavy lifting on the recruiting trail for McDermott.

By this logic none of the current roster is Jakes, they're all coach green, Crawford, etc.

[run&blade]

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Nit is borderline post season play, nothing anybody wants to brag about for sure.

Those other two bicitilmnop garbage tournaments are an embarrassment and nobody should ever say postseason when talking about them. They are a joke, period.

I saw somebody on cyclone fanatic using those bici tournaments as part of their argument to prove uni's success. Good god with uni people bragging about that isu hardly needs any ammo.

[Khan4Cats]

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And by continuing with others logic, a good portion of this team is still as a result of Mac: I mean, we got Adam Koch which begat Jake Koch which begat Bennett Koch and encourage Paul Jesperson. We got Erik Crawford which got us Kwadzo Ahelegbe (and Marc Sonnen) who brought in Marvin Singleton. It was the 04-06 teams that caught Wyatt Lohaus' attention as a youngster and got him wanting to be a Panther which may have helped bring in Morgan. Probably was the Wisconsin game in 05 that got Matt Bohannon's attention as well so you can credit him to McDermott as well.......

These are and have been Jake's teams. The void of 4 years left by the McDecommit situation are past us. The future is bright. We have 3 good post players on the bench who will be third-year sophomores next year and add two more big freshman. We have an experience that comes back with 3 seniors next year and a two-year starter junior in Morgan.

I like that we are bringing in a Juco to balance Jeremy's class on scholarships, but Jucos are taking chances. Sure you can look at Indian Hills and see great athletes. But are they coachable? Will they work in our system model or do they fit more with an Illinois State model of roll the ball out and let em 'hoop it up'. And additionally, what kind of students are they? Most of the kids at Juco don't make it to D-1 because of that aspect. Our team leads the conference in APR consistently and wins. I'll take that over leading with wins, police reports and flirting with post-season eligibility because no one goes to class or finishes school.

[CincyPanther88]

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I like that we are bringing in a Juco to balance Jeremy's class on scholarships, but Jucos are taking chances. Sure you can look at Indian Hills and see great athletes. But are they coachable? Will they work in our system model or do they fit more with an Illinois State model of roll the ball out and let em 'hoop it up'. And additionally, what kind of students are they? Most of the kids at Juco don't make it to D-1 because of that aspect. Our team leads the conference in APR consistently and wins. I'll take that over leading with wins, police reports and flirting with post-season eligibility because no one goes to class or finishes school.

Those are excellent points. I wouldn't say never recruit a JC player because when Bob Knight was at Indiana he would not recruit JC players but he changed his mind and when he did he won an NCAA championship. But he didn't start recruiting them right and left after that. So there are exceptions. I trust the coaching staff about recruiting decisions. Not all JC players match the stereotype. Some of these kids didn't develop well enough in high school and after they go to a JC, they blossom.

[domedays]

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Agreed. It has been said of SIU that they started recruiting different types of kids after their successful years. Those recruits may have been good athletes but not the tough defensive minded players that made SIU the best in the league for a decade.

['70 Grad]

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Those are excellent points. I wouldn't say never recruit a JC player because when Bob Knight was at Indiana he would not recruit JC players but he changed his mind and when he did he won an NCAA championship. But he didn't start recruiting them right and left after that. So there are exceptions. I trust the coaching staff about recruiting decisions. Not all JC players match the stereotype. Some of these kids didn't develop well enough in high school and after they go to a JC, they blossom.

There is that Ali guy.................

[06panther10]

Ali wasnt in JUCO because if grades, he was there from lack of D1 offers.

[Khan4Cats]

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There is that Ali guy.................

and Matt Culliver and Chris Olivier....

I think Jake is taking a more deliberate approach to giving scholarships to jucos and Austin will be a nice addition. Again, the big reason I like it is we still have depth but it also adds a scholarship to that year's class with Jeremy's.