Arch Madness 2016

[SteinPizza]

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It might depend on them making the tournament and winning a game. He might not be the hot coach if things don't fall right.

Correct, IMO. If they miss on the Tourney, then you'd think Marshall's clout as a candidate will take a hit. He could still viably throw his availability at a few programs, but not at the same level of the food chain. If he leaves after this year, then it's because he really wants out.

Someone help out here...the most comparable recent coaches I can think of are Shaka Smart a couple of years ago, or the Butler coach who left for the NBA. Those guys left when their stock was high, not when their programs had underperformed in a season with really high expectations. Am I remembering that correctly?

[03FinanceGrad]

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Correct, IMO. If they miss on the Tourney, then you'd think Marshall's clout as a candidate will take a hit. He could still viably throw his availability at a few programs, but not at the same level of the food chain. If he leaves after this year, then it's because he really wants out.

Someone help out here...the most comparable recent coaches I can think of are Shaka Smart a couple of years ago, or the Butler coach who left for the NBA. Those guys left when their stock was high, not when their programs had underperformed in a season with really high expectations. Am I remembering that correctly?

I think you are. Smart had unprecedented success at VCU before leaving for Texas, as had Brad Stevens at Butler. If my memory serves, Stevens's Bulldogs appeared in back to back NC games before he took the Celtics job.

[panther-state]

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I think you are. Smart had unprecedented success at VCU before leaving for Texas, as had Brad Stevens at Butler. If my memory serves, Stevens's Bulldogs appeared in back to back NC games before he took the Celtics job.

Which, off topic, has been a strong hire.

[GonzoCat]

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Greggggggggg is a weird dude. I've never heard anybody talk about how much money they make and the perks they get like he does. Its petty, small, and bizarre.

Ever heard Donald Trump?

[SteinPizza]

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Ever heard Donald Trump?

Just what I was thinking.

Hearing all these somewhat bizarre stories about Marshall...it's smoke/fire thing. Look, a lot of this stuff gets exaggerated, and face it, this is an opposing teams' board. Also keep in mind that many D1 football and basketball coaches aren't normal, socially casual, average Joe type people. Many are insanely driven, ultra type A, control freaks with high rise sized egos. There are a few exceptions (Jacobson, Ferentz, Jim Walden for local examples), but many are borderline nuts. The exceptions stand out in a good way, but are just that - exceptions. Marshall sounds like he's got a Trump/Ditka like lack of social filter combined with some occasionally bizarre twists. In other words, a typical coach without the "brakes" others have. Not condoning it, just observing.

[claw]

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Correct, IMO. If they miss on the Tourney, then you'd think Marshall's clout as a candidate will take a hit. He could still viably throw his availability at a few programs, but not at the same level of the food chain. If he leaves after this year, then it's because he really wants out.

Someone help out here...the most comparable recent coaches I can think of are Shaka Smart a couple of years ago, or the Butler coach who left for the NBA. Those guys left when their stock was high, not when their programs had underperformed in a season with really high expectations. Am I remembering that correctly?

Yep. All of his top 150 recruits, his 3 years after the Final Four run with 2 All American guards, all of the dominating of the regular season in the MVC, the undefeated season, etc... that gets thrown out could ultimately result in just 2 NCAA appearances and never getting past the S16 again and missing the tournament with 2 SENIOR All American guards that are *likely* NBA draft picks. All while having fewer and fewer underclassmen contribute meaningful minutes/points/stats.

His time at WSU has been real good, especially on a macro level. Looking at the trend of it the last 4 years is the wrong way.

His first four was building a trash team into NIT champions, year 5 was NCAA first round, year 6 was a magical run by a group of freshman. The last 3 is still dominating the MVC yet managing to be just .500 against UNI, so really, beating up on the dregs of the conference, and still not able to use that wide gap of talent to win the conference tournament. Not able to get back to the Final Four. Maybe not able to make the NCAA tournament.

It will be interesting to see what the trend continues like. A new conference seems like WSU's best bet to keep Gregg, because he so hates the MVC that he can't focus on games in St. Louis from the sound of it. The issue is a new conference will require football. A football program at the FBS level is going to require multiple tens of millions of dollars to start up and close to 10m per year to be any kind of respectable - essentially a million in scholarships, close to 5 million for coaches salaries, other salaries, travel expense, stadium upkeep/upgrades, and you're pushing 10 million with ease. Wonder how well Gregg will like being pushed from 100% of the attention to, say, 60% of it and likely no longer having an endless line of money for basketball. He doesn't seem to have an ego that fits that. I know he'd have that same issue if he'd have taken the Bama job, but they have about 10 times the money WSU does and already pay coaches/spend as much/more than WSU does.

[BCPanther]

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Ever heard Donald Trump?

Gregggggg is a real person, Trump is a cartoon character.

[PanthersKB]

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I hate consuming our board with Wichita talk, but I also made the mistake of reading some Shockernet posts.

There must be a lot of tinfoil hats and black helicopters in Wichita. Constant posts about how the MVC is plotting against WSU, how refs are paid to make sure that WSU loses, etc. Someone even went as far as saying that UNI is "protected" by the MVC and that is why Wes gets so many calls that go our way. (Wondering how that fits into our losses against Missouri State and Loyola???)

I just can't . . . If WSU is the only thing keeping the MVC afloat (which in many ways it is. I get it. ), why would the MVC try to drive them out? If anything, I would think the MVC would be doing everything in its power to make WSU feel like the special little jewel they think they are.

I really hope that WSU makes the tournament in order to placate their coaches and fanbase. (Even though it would be funny to see the shocker meltdown if they didn't). I don't want WSU leaving the conference.



Anyway, with all that said, still majorly excited for out team. Go panthers!

[BCPanther]

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They do realize that they would have lost on Friday if Porter hadn't **** his pants in the last 4 minutes, right?

[Born-a-Panther]

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Watching his wife act the way she did and it just hammers home that money can't buy class.

Was told by those sitting near her that she was absolutely out of control during Friday's game. To the point of being nasty.

[hoopfan]

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Was told by those sitting near her that she was absolutely out of control during Friday's game. To the point of being nasty.

It is probably all true. We were sitting across the court so we couldn't hear what was being said, but her actions spoke loud enough. At one point she was screaming and taunting some fans in the next section over. They looked like Evansville fans that were cheering for Loyola. She had the hand gestures going and was very demonstrative. It was Gregg in a woman's body. I'm assuming most coach's wives would've asked for security to come down and remove the offending party or just ignore it all together, rather than play into it and make it worse.

I can only imagine the scene in their house at night when Gregg wants filet for dinner and she wants lobster tail. The screaming, fighting, foot stomping, etc. as they plead their case. Then the ridiculous celebration when they realize they are rich and can have both and sit down and eat with that smug smirk on their faces.

[95UNIGRAD]

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I can only imagine the scene in their house at night when Gregg wants filet for dinner and she wants lobster tail. The screaming, fighting, foot stomping, etc. as they plead their case. Then the ridiculous celebration when they realize they are rich and can have both and sit down and eat with that smug smirk on their faces.

Classic - well done.

[SteinPizza]

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It is probably all true. We were sitting across the court so we couldn't hear what was being said, but her actions spoke loud enough. At one point she was screaming and taunting some fans in the next section over. They looked like Evansville fans that were cheering for Loyola. She had the hand gestures going and was very demonstrative. It was Gregg in a woman's body. I'm assuming most coach's wives would've asked for security to come down and remove the offending party or just ignore it all together, rather than play into it and make it worse.

I can only imagine the scene in their house at night when Gregg wants filet for dinner and she wants lobster tail. The screaming, fighting, foot stomping, etc. as they plead their case. Then the ridiculous celebration when they realize they are rich and can have both and sit down and eat with that smug smirk on their faces.

Did the Evansville fans start it, or did she? There's a huge difference. You obviously couldn't tell from your vantage, so it's a rhetorical question to make a point. If she started it, even somewhat, then classless piece of crap definitely applies to her. If she just reacted to some nasty taunts, then I'd cut her some slack. If the latter is true, then you're right, they Evansville fans should've been thrown out.

[jnutt]

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Where are the WSU players?

they were put in the wrong hat.

[CyCarp]

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Gregg is just a clown. I heard from a Wichita fan that after we beat them in Wichita he walked in the locker room, yelled at the guys "enjoy playing in the NIT" then walked out. It'll be interesting to see him next year without 2 AAs. Although I've also heard that those two pretty much do whatever they want in practices, so maybe it'll make them more of a team. With Gregg's personality, I wouldn't be surprised if either of these rumors are true.