Up Next: Drake

[BCPanther]

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Speaking of the young bigs...where was Koch in the second half? Coach's doghouse or dinged up?

Fouls. 4 of them and we had a commanding lead by the time you would have normally put him in.

[Blue42]

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Speaking of the young bigs...where was Koch in the second half? Coach's doghouse or dinged up?

I think he sat with 4 fouls for much of the 2nd half.

And Clint was giving good minutes.

[Blue42]

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I saw most, but not all of the game. Koch had some foul trouble, but Carlson also played really well. I'm guessing Carlson's play was a big reason.

Speaking of this, IMO Ted's reduced minutes is a big mistake by Jake. He brings some energy and toughness on the defensive end that nobody on the team can match.

Agree. Ted plays hard and he's athletic enough to play D and get some boards. He's made some good passes out of the post lately...would like to see that out of he and BK.

[northwest iowa panther]

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If you were one of the people complaining about WSU shooting 3's against us, then you deserve the retort from the WSU fan above. It was dumb to be offended.

Can't figure out why in the closing moments of a game when both teams sub the game literally comes to a standstill. If I'm Knar I would want to keep on playing--dumbest thing ever watching 10 players stand there waiting to shake hands--as far as I can tell the game is 40 minutes. Even the players on the bench practice so they can play full out.

[Blue42]

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Can't figure out why in the closing moments of a game when both teams sub the game literally comes to a standstill. If I'm Knar I would want to keep on playing--dumbest thing ever watching 10 players stand there waiting to shake hands--as far as I can tell the game is 40 minutes. Even the players on the bench practice so they play can full out.

Part of what drives me nuts when Jake waits so long to sub. The last 30 seconds of a lop-sided game are just standing around letting the clock run out.

So if you don't get a guy like Knar in with a couple minutes left...he really doesn't play at all.

Kid shows up and practices every day for months on end. Give him a couple minutes. Drake ain't coming back from 18 down in 2 minutes. Not if lightening strikes the building and Adam Emmenecker and the entire Korver family come out of the locker room. It ain't happening.

[dan_beeding]

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I hear you, BC. But while there may have been "several opportunities" for "important wins" in the conference in 2004-2005, we didn't really get any: lost twice to Creighton, and split with SIU and Wichita. Not a single win over ranked teams.

I have to believe that if we win out until the Valley tourney final - we would get a serious look. Do I think winning that many games in a row is likely - or even reasonably likely? No. But then again, stranger things have happened. See Drake, 2008 season.

I never thought I would miss Creighton.

[sivert]

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I have to believe that if we win out until the Valley tourney final - we would get a serious look. Do I think winning that many games in a row is likely - or even reasonably likely? No. But then again, stranger things have happened. See Drake, 2008 season.

If we lose one more, I think it would be @WSU, not the MVC final.

Nevertheless, if we lose just the final, we end the conference season with RPI=~80. And if we lose in the final of the MVC tournament, we get to maybe 75. Would that get us a "look"?

Well, according to http://www.collegerpi.com/subs/rpitrivia.html , "The lowest rated teams to get at-large bids (ALB): #67 USC, #64 Marquette (2011), #63 NC State (2005), #63 Stanford (2007)."

We would set a record by around 10 spots. So chances would be pretty slim. But our two top-5 wins are pretty unusual and outstanding.

I think it depends on how we win the next bunch of games. If Paul and Bo start consistently nailing 3s at the ridiculous clip they did against Bradley and Iowa State (60+% every game, both of them taking a lot of shots per game), then we start burying our competition (except WSU can be close) then MAYBE. The committee would have to REALLY buy into "UNI was sick/injured, so the losses weren't really the real UNI." All in all, it is highly unlikely that we end the season with even a sniff of an at large consideration.
We must win in St.Louis to dance.

[Panther'73]

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S.ILL lost to Loyola and Indiana State lost to Bradley tonight...

[BCPanther]

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One game out of 3rd place...

[sivert]

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S.ILL lost to Loyola and Indiana State lost to Bradley tonight...

I just looked at the standings. With our win today, and those two loses, and if ISUr loses to WSU tonight, we're one game out of 3rd. Is that right?
The tie-breaker is OOC SOS, right? We have that against everyone except WSU and ISUr.

[Panther100]

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I believe the first tie breaker is head to head, then the record versus the power rankings within the conference, our win vs Evansville would help there. I think next it's score differential within the MVC?

[panther-state]

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Fairly certain it's H2H and then SOS. I seem to remember it was discussed quite a bit last year. Did the rules change?

[CyCarp]

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Fairly certain it's H2H and then SOS. I seem to remember it was discussed quite a bit last year. Did the rules change?

I'm certain it was H2H then SOS last year also, not sure of any changes this year.

[03FinanceGrad]

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Fairly certain it's H2H and then SOS. I seem to remember it was discussed quite a bit last year. Did the rules change?

I think H2H and OOC SOS are still in place.

[Gboom23]

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Well, I'm glad we avoided the Valley upset bug that was going around today.

A couple other thoughts:
- I think coaches honestly forget to put the guys in at the end of the bench sometimes. I can see they've got their heads in the game and by the time they realize it, there's only 30 seconds left.
- I also saw the article mentioned earlier that said if we only lose the Valley championship game we would have a shot at an at-large. I think that's crazy talk, but it's fun to talk about.