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  • #46
    Wow. I feel as though I watched a different game at times after reading some of the comments on here. Here are some of my observations.

    One, I really enjoyed watching that game. I hate losing, but as a fan of basketball watching the game, I thought it was a fun one to watch. The refs dictated the game by calling it close and then letting them go, and then calling it close again. Mike Sanzere was not very consistent tonight officiating. But, I guess going into this game, I expected the game not be called tight. I really thought the 'And One' by Falker was a huge momentum swing. It was a pretty weak call on Crawford.

    When looking at this game, it was a great defensive battle by both teams. Sure UNI missed open shots, but they took up the slack on the defensive end. Holding an opponent to 40 points is amazing. Offensively, we missed some open shots, but SIU was not giving UNI any room to opperate. We knew this was going to happen from the beginning, but unless the officials call it tight, it's going to be difficult for UNI to score alot on SIU.

    Stout's 2 early fouls were weak, IMO. That really hurt UNI in the end I believe. You could see that when the first media timeout didn't happen for a while, Coleman was gassed, and was not making great decisions. He needed a break physically and mentally. He almost turned it over a time or two before that TO. Where was he at the end? That's a good question, but you have to realize that Coleman logged 25 minutes in the first 27. That's alot of minutes for a big man. He needed a break. A 12 minute break in the second half might be the question...but UNI did need the four guards to keep up with Tatum (aka- Rip Hamilton), Young, Mullins, and Shaw.

    Where I thought UNI could have really capitalized was at the FT line. If they would have made their FT's, the Panthers would have been able to extend leads at times, but they didn't. If 60% FT shooting was 80% this game would have gone to the Panthers and they would have been in control all of the game.

    What you saw this weekend was two things. What a Panther team can do when physically and mentally rested, and what can happen when this team goes head to head with a physical team on less than 24 hours rest. UNI is going to be good in the NCAA's. They are going to be physically rested. Give Greg McDermott and his staff this much time to prepare, and they are going to be fine. We saw that last night. The following game might be a little more of a challenge, but having 48 hours to rest up, compared to less than 24 hours is a different beast. Plus, in the tourney, teams don't know how to defend UNI. I doubt we will see a better defensive team in the tourney than SIU. I honestly think that SIU could hold Duke or UConn to 55 points or less...whether they score more is debatable. I think that most fans still feel as though our team is playing "mid major" competition, but we aren't. We are playing top 40 competition night in and night out (twice a week, sometimes more) for the last 2 months of the season...with one break (and we saw what UNI can do when rested).

    Don't get down Panther fans!!! The Panthers team we have seen at the beginning of the season is still there. Once rested, they will show the country again. UNI is in the Big Dance. The RPI won't drop below the mid-20's. Most of the teams behind UNI in the RPI lost today. The Valley is looking good for 4 bids, and 5 might be on the way. This upcoming week is where it's at. We as fans get to watch teams play their way out of the tourney (more often than into the tourney). It's fun to see. Enjoy this week off Panther fans, because the road to the NCAA Tournament started back in November, and it won't be ending for at least 2 weeks!!
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    • #47
      WE NEED TO PULL THE TRIGGER!

      What was up with our shooting?

      We need to shoot those open looks, I counted at least 10 shots passed up?

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      • #48
        I'll preface this by saying I think we're still in, but I would'nt mind some other teams tripping up just for good measure. Our problem is obviously shooting, and I can't say I have a total anwser for that. I'll shock the world by agreeing that Benny should maybe be used as a decoy on last shots. Many of you know he is an old personal friend of mind, but everyone and their dog knows he's going to get those shots (tonight he just flat missed it). His season has not been nearly as bad as some of you think it has, especially since he has gone from probably the #4-5 defender on the team to #1-2. I actually think he should have been all D-team. He did, afterall, just shut down the #1 and 2 scorers in the Valley on back to back nights. I also think we need to run more plays for him (that does not mean more shots, most of his shots are self created and not scripted). It stinks that his shots have not fallen as we would all like, but he certainly wasn't the only cold hand tonight, or the last 10 games for that matter.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by uni1988
          With the Panthers finishing the season the way they did... 5-5 in the last 10 games... SIXTH in the conference... and a number of teams playing their way on to the "bubble"... this is going to be a long week and I'm afraid after next Sunday we will be on the outside looking in.
          Just for clarification purposes we finished tied for 5th in the conference (lost the tie breaker for seeding via Bradley defeating us twice) and were just one game out of second. We beat the conference #1 twice, the only team to do so (2 of their 4 conferences L's and the only one to beat them at Koch). And we did something that 2 of those in the 2nd place tie did not: get out of the 1st round of the MVC tourny. Plus our non-con wins are great. The slide sucks and the last 10 is our massive negative, but their are a ton of positives

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          • #50
            I agree on the "Last 10" thing being a pretty big negative but as someone else mentioned, there are a lot of teams at 5-5 or worse right now, still fighting for bids & seeds. A lot are pretty big names too.

            (RPI)
            (16) Pitt - 5-5
            (17) Wisc - 4-6
            (22) WVU - 5-5
            (26) Mich - 4-6
            (34) Cincy - 5-5
            (35) 'Cuse - 4-6
            (43) Indiana - 5-5
            (44) SIU - 5-5
            + (31/33) Florida/Kentucky - Loser tomorrow is 5-5, winner 6-4

            I think "last 10" is used to help figure out the last few teams that will make it in, for instance maybe a Bradley (7-3 if they lose tomorrow) vs. a Syracuse. I dont think it will make as big of a difference for teams like us that are likely securely in. If last 10 is that important than we're basically saying we dont care about what a team did the rest of the season and that's not fair.

            In general, I just dont see how anyone can be worried. Sure, it would have been nice to take care of business but in the history of the RPI only one team with an RPI of 37 or better has ever been left out of the dance (1999, Missouri State with an RPI of 34). Our RPI will be around 25 and will likely be one of the best in the MVC.

            Sleep easy. It's Creighton and the SIU/BU loser that have to sweat for 7 days.
            Last edited by UNI MadCat; 03-05-2006, 09:11 AM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by UNI MadCat
              I agree on the "Last 10" thing being a pretty big negative but as someone else mentioned, there are a lot of teams at 5-5 or worse right now, still fighting for bids & seeds. A lot are pretty big names too.

              (RPI)
              (16) Pitt - 5-5
              (17) Wisc - 4-6
              (22) WVU - 5-5
              (26) Mich - 4-6
              (34) Cincy - 5-5
              (35) 'Cuse - 4-6
              (43) Indiana - 5-5
              (44) SIU - 5-5
              + (31/33) Florida/Kentucky - Loser tomorrow is 5-5, winner 6-4

              I think "last 10" is used to help figure out the last few teams that will make it in, for instance maybe a Bradley (7-3 if they lose tomorrow) vs. a Syracuse. I dont think it will make as big of a difference for teams like us that are likely securely in. If last 10 is that important than we're basically saying we dont care about what a team did the rest of the season and that's not fair.

              In general, I just dont see how anyone can be worried. Sure, it would have been nice to take care of business but in the history of the RPI only one team with an RPI of 37 or better has ever been left out of the dance (1999, Missouri State with an RPI of 34). Our RPI will be around 25 and will likely be one of the best in the MVC.

              Sleep easy. It's Creighton and the SIU/BU loser that have to sweat for 7 days.
              The MVC's best chance for 5 teams may be for SIU to win today because if they don't they're likely out. Bradley will still be in the mid 30's after a loss. Creighton needs to get below 40 again, otherwise I don't think they'll make it if there are many upsets in other conference tournaments.

              As I said on the other thread discussing this, the former SW Missouri was in the tournament in 1999. They made it to the Sweet 16 that season behind that great coach, Steve Alford.
              "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Panthers to the Bone
                What you saw this weekend was two things. What a Panther team can do when physically and mentally rested, and what can happen when this team goes head to head with a physical team on less than 24 hours rest. UNI is going to be good in the NCAA's. They are going to be physically rested. Give Greg McDermott and his staff this much time to prepare, and they are going to be fine. We saw that last night. The following game might be a little more of a challenge, but having 48 hours to rest up, compared to less than 24 hours is a different beast. Plus, in the tourney, teams don't know how to defend UNI. I doubt we will see a better defensive team in the tourney than SIU. I honestly think that SIU could hold Duke or UConn to 55 points or less...whether they score more is debatable. I think that most fans still feel as though our team is playing "mid major" competition, but we aren't. We are playing top 40 competition night in and night out (twice a week, sometimes more) for the last 2 months of the season...with one break (and we saw what UNI can do when rested).
                I like your optimism PTTB, but keep in mind SIU should've had the same fatigue problems. They probably have less depth than we do, if that's even possible. SIU just took over the OT, and it was frustrating to watch. It's also too bad Coleman wasn't in, as maybe that limits the offensive rebounds they got in the second half and OT. Hindsight is 20-20 though, and I don't mean this as a shot at the coaching staff.

                I completely agree with Sex Panther and others, who are frustrated by our "all Benny" offense on last shots. Crawford was wide open after screening. Mac has to realize this on some level, otherwise he wouldn't have had Stout shoot the three to against SIU earlier in the year (it was SIU, correct?). Isn't it much better to have a good shooter with a good look take the shot as opposed to a good shooter taking a majorly contested shot?

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                • #53
                  I see several posts in this thread saying that we are 5-5 in our last 10 games. This is incorrect we are 4-6 in our last 10 games. I will go through our last 10 games since I have the schedule right beside me. Lost to SIU @ MVC Tourny (0-1), beat MSU @ MVC Tourney (1-1), Lost @ SIU (1-2), Lost vs. Bradley (1-3), beat Bucknell (2-3), lost @ Indiana State (2-4), lost vs. MSU (2-5), beat WSU (3-5), beat Indiana State (4-5), lost at Creighton (4-6). So for everyone that concludes that we are 4-6 in our last 10 games and not 5-5 as concluded by other people posting. This is really scary and we are squarely on the bubble. I think that we should be in, but you never know. 23-9 is a great record with some key wins over Iowa, Bucknell, Valley rivals and LSU. Our last 10 games have hurt us and we are 2-5 in our last 7 games and only played UNI basketball for one half and that was the second half of the MSU game on Friday night. We are sweating it out on selection sunday without a doubt.
                  Coach Whisenhunt 1/18/09. "There was never any complaints about not being named the starter, all he wanted was an opportunity and he took advantage of it. Kurt is probably one of the greatest individuals you'll ever meet. Kurt worked hard on a lot of things that a lot of times older quarterbacks aren't willing to do. That's a credit to his humility and his competitive drive, and the reason that we are here today in great part is what Kurt Warner has done for us."

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by merkpanthers
                    I see several posts in this thread saying that we are 5-5 in our last 10 games. This is incorrect we are 4-6 in our last 10 games. I will go through our last 10 games since I have the schedule right beside me. Lost to SIU @ MVC Tourny (0-1), beat MSU @ MVC Tourney (1-1), Lost @ SIU (1-2), Lost vs. Bradley (1-3), beat Bucknell (2-3), lost @ Indiana State (2-4), lost vs. MSU (2-5), beat WSU (3-5), beat Indiana State (4-5), lost at Creighton (4-6). So for everyone that concludes that we are 4-6 in our last 10 games and not 5-5 as concluded by other people posting. This is really scary and we are squarely on the bubble. I think that we should be in, but you never know. 23-9 is a great record with some key wins over Iowa, Bucknell, Valley rivals and LSU. Our last 10 games have hurt us and we are 2-5 in our last 7 games and only played UNI basketball for one half and that was the second half of the MSU game on Friday night. We are sweating it out on selection sunday without a doubt.
                    You're right about the 4-6. Are we going to be able to watch the first 5 minutes of the MVC Championship on CBS?
                    Last edited by DWadle1983; 03-05-2006, 01:01 PM.
                    "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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                    • #55
                      The only negative about UNI's numbers (since I don't think the Selection Committee will put a great deal of emphasis on the 5th place tie) is the 4-6 record in the last 10.

                      What UNI has going for it, besides its overall RPI, is non-conference RPI was 5th, once Bucknell is back in the Top 50 3 Top 50 non-conference wins (which I imagine only a few teams can top. I can't verify that without spending a few hours reading through everyone's schedule), non-conference SOS is 43rd, overall SOS is 36th, it's 7 wins against Top 50 teams is tied for 8th (if it were 8 with Bucknell being added back, they would be tied for 4th), they are tied for 14th with 10 road/neutral wins.

                      If we consider Bucknell, UW-Milwaukee, and Western Kentucky among the Top 50 since they are in and then out it seems like every few days, the MVC will have 6 Top 50 non-conference wins, UNI will have half of those.

                      I understand some people are worried and believe there is a conspiracy at the Selection Committee, but the NCAA created the RPI. They won't ignore it. They won't ignore the fact that UNI played the strongest schedule of any MVC team, and has the MVC's best numbers against non-conference teams. What will guarantee UNI a bid is its non-conference numbers.

                      Nice to see that CBS missed the first 9 minutes of the Bradley-SIU game.
                      Last edited by DWadle1983; 03-05-2006, 01:40 PM.
                      "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by merkpanthers
                        We are sweating it out on selection sunday without a doubt.
                        You go ahead and sweat all you want, I am cool as a cucumber, at least with regard to our NCAA selection.

                        The only way they could not select UNI is by totally going against everything they have ever said and done, throwing out all the selection criteria used in the past and calling Digger to ask him who is in.
                        GO PANTHERS!

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                        • #57
                          Why isn't CBS using a color commentator with Dick Enberg and Clark Kellogg who had seen MVC games before, like Kevin Boyle? You can tell they've only seen a few MVC games. Somebody familiar with the teams might have something meaningful to say. I've wondered why ESPN isn't doing the same thing for championship games they are broadcasting.
                          "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DWadle1983
                            The only negative about UNI's numbers (since I don't think the Selection Committee will put a great deal of emphasis on the 5th place tie) is the 4-6 record in the last 10.

                            What UNI has going for it, besides its overall RPI, is non-conference RPI was 5th, once Bucknell is back in the Top 50 3 Top 50 non-conference wins (which I imagine only a few teams can top. I can't verify that without spending a few hours reading through everyone's schedule), non-conference SOS is 43rd, overall SOS is 36th, it's 7 wins against Top 50 teams is tied for 8th (if it were 8 with Bucknell being added back, they would be tied for 4th), they are tied for 14th with 10 road/neutral wins.

                            If we consider Bucknell, UW-Milwaukee, and Western Kentucky among the Top 50 since they are in and then out it seems like every few days, the MVC will have 6 Top 50 non-conference wins, UNI will have half of those.

                            I understand some people are worried and believe there is a conspiracy at the Selection Committee, but the NCAA created the RPI. They won't ignore it. They won't ignore the fact that UNI played the strongest schedule of any MVC team, and has the MVC's best numbers against non-conference teams. What will guarantee UNI a bid is its non-conference numbers.

                            Nice to see that CBS missed the first 9 minutes of the Bradley-SIU game.
                            While I was watching Seth Davis' expert analysis, I looked real quick to see which teams have more Top 50 non-conference wins than UNI (considering Bucknell a Top 50 team), and it appears the answer is four teams (UConn, Villanova, Duke, and Memphis). Even if I missed a couple, since I didn't look through the list twice, UNI has a very impressive number. (And, a minute ago, we heard Clark Kellogg mention the "Who have the MVC teams played non-conference.")
                            Last edited by DWadle1983; 03-05-2006, 02:20 PM.
                            "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by DWadle1983
                              Why isn't CBS using a color commentator with Dick Enberg and Clark Kellogg who had seen MVC games before, like Kevin Boyle? You can tell they've only seen a few MVC games.
                              I like it that Enberg and Kellogg are doing the game. They are the #2 team for CBS in mens basketball. That gives 2 national names doing the game for the Valley. Very impressive. The common person will see them doing that game and see that the Valley is a big time conference worthy of some of the best commentators. They could have sent Enberg and Kellogg to Syracuse to have them do the Villanova game, but they didn't.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Reed Rothchild
                                I like it that Enberg and Kellogg are doing the game. They are the #2 team for CBS in mens basketball. That gives 2 national names doing the game for the Valley. Very impressive. The common person will see them doing that game and see that the Valley is a big time conference worthy of some of the best commentators. They could have sent Enberg and Kellogg to Syracuse to have them do the Villanova game, but they didn't.
                                I agree. If they had sent a couple of dolts no one has heard of there, people are going to be more upset that CBS didn't deem the MVC worthy enough to rate Enberg and Kellogg. Even if they had two dolts on there it's all good since the MVC gets national TV exposure. And that's what it's all about.
                                "And immediately, (P'Allen Stinnett's) Facebook status was spouting vulgarities towards the university."

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