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[Marc Wigim]

Posted by a Duke fan on a Florida State message board:

If the MVC gets 5-6 teams into the Tournament, there will be other ramifications besides major conference teams like FSU possibly being left out of the Field of 65: small conference schools from the MEAC, SWAC, Southland, and other small financially-strapped leagues, whose basketball budgets entirely depend on "guarantee games" (road matchups against major conference schools who pay out big bucks for them to come in as sacrificial lambs), will suddenly have less of those available. Here in Tallahassee, the FAMU men's program would go belly-up without big payouts from games at UF, at Indiana, at Ohio State, at Dayton, at Georgia, or at Xavier. That's something for the NCAA to consider before they let the MVC manipulate the system...

Yeah... the NCAA is probably losing nights of sleep over MEAC and SWAC schools whoring themselves out for the chance to be Division I. File that one under NOT OUR PROBLEM.

I love how ACC schools think they are doing everyone a huge favor by paying ridiculous amounts of money to beat someone down. The hubris is just STAGGERING.

[ColoradoPanther]

Honest question--- I know the dollars are dramatic for football, but are the payouts really that significant for basketball? I don't assume we're talking $300-500k, such as the case for fball.

[Marc Wigim]

I had heard on average, they are about 40,000. I suppose that would add up if you had nine games in the OOC on the road against opponents you'd never be able to beat.

[UNI MadCat]

And lots not forget, that post doesn't point out the huge difference, those conferences' wouldn't win... the MVC has won against the big boys. BIG, BIG, BIG Difference. I love these morons that essentially become shills for the media on message boards because they dont bother to actually think thru the argument logically to realize how ridiculous it is.

[jegbomb52]

Ok, lets think about what this guy said, major conference schools are not going to get anyone to come in and play them anymore if we let these teams in. UNI went to SEC power LSU, is that no what this guy is talking about? Sure, let the MEAC and SWAC follow our footsteps. When they are sending teams to Big 11 schools and Big XII schools every year and putting up victories then they can talk about getting 5-6 teams in the tourney!

[DWadle1983]

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Posted by a Duke fan on a Florida State message board:


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If the MVC gets 5-6 teams into the Tournament, there will be other ramifications besides major conference teams like FSU possibly being left out of the Field of 65: small conference schools from the MEAC, SWAC, Southland, and other small financially-strapped leagues, whose basketball budgets entirely depend on "guarantee games" (road matchups against major conference schools who pay out big bucks for them to come in as sacrificial lambs), will suddenly have less of those available. Here in Tallahassee, the FAMU men's program would go belly-up without big payouts from games at UF, at Indiana, at Ohio State, at Dayton, at Georgia, or at Xavier. That's something for the NCAA to consider before they let the MVC manipulate the system...


Yeah... the NCAA is probably losing nights of sleep over MEAC and SWAC schools whoring themselves out for the chance to be Division I. File that one under NOT OUR PROBLEM.

I love how ACC schools think they are doing everyone a huge favor by paying ridiculous amounts of money to beat someone down. The hubris is just STAGGERING.

No, file the comment under absurd. (By the way didn't UNI beat Florida A&M?) If the poster is concerned about these conferences, then maybe an at-large spot should go each year to one of these conferences that the ACC would have received.

If the MVC receives more money from the NCAA because it has more "units", then the MVC will be able to host more home games, more quality home games, able to offer their coaches high salaries, and be in a position for more at-large NCAA bids in the future. THAT's what the poster cares about.

[Panthers to the Bone]

The Florida A&M "buy" game was part of the Vegas Tourney.
Same for the LSU game...UNI was to host two home games, but when a team or two dropped out, UNI went on the road.

UNI has "bought" games in the past (maybe 2 per year---one d1, one d2). But, since Mac has been at UNI, you have never seen them play "buy" games on the road. Cinci and LSU were due to the Vegas Tourneys.

I doubt you will see UNI play more than two "buy" games in the future. They have home and homes with Iowa/ISU, Loyola and UMKC, the bracket buster game from that year, and a return game from the bb the year before. That's 6 games right away. UNI has started a home/home series with UW-Milwaukee, so that leaves 2 more games.

[SteinPizza]

The Florida A&M "buy" game was part of the Vegas Tourney.
Same for the LSU game...UNI was to host two home games, but when a team or two dropped out, UNI went on the road.

UNI has "bought" games in the past (maybe 2 per year---one d1, one d2). But, since Mac has been at UNI, you have never seen them play "buy" games on the road. Cinci and LSU were due to the Vegas Tourneys.

I doubt you will see UNI play more than two "buy" games in the future. They have home and homes with Iowa/ISU, Loyola and UMKC, the bracket buster game from that year, and a return game from the bb the year before. That's 6 games right away. UNI has started a home/home series with UW-Milwaukee, so that leaves 2 more games.

PTTB, if I'm reading you correctly, that's a bad thing. I want us to play high-level non-conference competition, that's what is keeping our tourney hopes alive this year. Why will we not play the @LSU and @Cincy style games anymore? The Las Vegas event was/is tailor made for us in terms of attracting national attention and boosting our tourney resume. If I'm misinterpreting the context of you post, please let me know.

[panther2317]

That's not what he said. He's saying...you won't see UNI "buy" games (pay teams money that we know we can beat at home). That doesn't mean we won't try and get some of the 'name' opponents either on the road or at home in the future. What I think he's saying is that the RPI (if it stays the same) will give UNI more opportunities to play home and home series with 'name' opponents in the future...eliminating the 'buy' games.


I have a buddy who coaches at a low D-1 school that happens to be an independent. They played 9 (yes...NINE) money games this season. All on the road and all between $25,000 and $50,000 to come and get pounded. They have virtually no chance of winning those games and while it's a fun opportunity to get to play in some of those venues...it puts them behind the 8 ball right from the get go because they're 0-9 right away. They have to log a tremendous amount of time on the road and then they only get to play about 9 home games for the season. But, that's not how they exist at the D-1 level. They have a small budget that's in place whether they play the guarantee games or not. When a school makes the decision to be D-1, I think they have to prove to the NCAA that they can sustain the program. SO I'm not caring at all...if teams like FAMU lose their play for pay games.

[NJ Panther]

2 games left to schedule huh? Whats the phone number for the athletic departments at Maryland and Houston?

[SteinPizza]

That's not what he said. He's saying...you won't see UNI "buy" games (pay teams money that we know we can beat at home). That doesn't mean we won't try and get some of the 'name' opponents either on the road or at home in the future. What I think he's saying is that the RPI (if it stays the same) will give UNI more opportunities to play home and home series with 'name' opponents in the future...eliminating the 'buy' games.


I have a buddy who coaches at a low D-1 school that happens to be an independent. They played 9 (yes...NINE) money games this season. All on the road and all between $25,000 and $50,000 to come and get pounded. They have virtually no chance of winning those games and while it's a fun opportunity to get to play in some of those venues...it puts them behind the 8 ball right from the get go because they're 0-9 right away. They have to log a tremendous amount of time on the road and then they only get to play about 9 home games for the season. But, that's not how they exist at the D-1 level. They have a small budget that's in place whether they play the guarantee games or not. When a school makes the decision to be D-1, I think they have to prove to the NCAA that they can sustain the program. SO I'm not caring at all...if teams like FAMU lose their play for pay games.

2317, thanks for the clarification.

[Panthers to the Bone]

2317 is mostly correct in what I was saying. I was basically clearing up some potential "misunderstandings" when it comes to "buy-in" games. UNI doesn't do BCS "buy-in" games where we go on the road and don't get a game in return, unless it is part of an exempt tourney (only due to teams falling out of the tourney at the last minute).

The NCAA has now become part of the "exempt tourney" business. They are most likely going to abolish the "2-in-4" rule. This rule restricted teams to playing 2 exempt tourneys in 4 years. Now, if this rule is abolished, UNI will be able to play "BCS" schools every year in these tourneys. So, tell me would you, with the two games with Iowa/ISU, and this tourney (so probably 4 BCS teams played), do you still want UNI to go out and schedule BCS teams with the remaining two "open games" if possible?

My initial thoughts are that UNI should drop the D2 game, and pick up a "buy" game, and then start a home and home with another quality mid-major. 4 BCS games would be enough for me.

[TheMacHouse]

I agree that 4 BCS games would be plenty each year. Throw in a UW-Milw type school each year and a game against either an A10/CUSA/MWC team also and with the 2 Bracket games each year add 3-4 home games against the UMKC's of the world and eliminate the D2 teams. This type of schedule with a good Valley would give UNI a good RPI with 9 or less losses.