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    Damaging article to UNI.

    I was surfing the web this morning, specifically Slate.com, when I came across this piece I am going to link where UNI is mentioned, and not favorably so. I will let you guys see the details to yourself.

    Remember, I'm just the messenger. My personal guess is that maybe the author made a mistake or looked at figures and stats from the Sam Weaver area. I do know that according to very recent stats in USA Today, that our APR (the new system for tracking academic progress by the NCAA), is 971, way above the 925 cut-off point. I just wanted to share the article with you all and spark some discussion.


    Here's the link: http://www.slate.com/id/2138548/
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  • #2
    So, some Bob Woodward "wanna be" from Connecticut is P----- that his beloved Huskies got beat. I seriously question both his facts and his motives.

    PR
    You don't break out the Purple and Gold on game days or look for special gifts and gadgets bearing the colors because you want to be seen among the loyal. Purple and Gold aren't colors you see---they're colors you feel. They run through your veins with a continuous roar.

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    • #3
      So UNI only graduates 30% of our basketball players? I find that a little hard to believe but does anyone know the truth about this?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Purple Reign
        So, some Bob Woodward "wanna be" from Connecticut is P----- that his beloved Huskies got beat. I seriously question both his facts and his motives.

        PR
        Kind of tough to question his facts, assuming he got them from a reputable source. I didn't click on any of the related links, but keep in mind "not graduating" by the NCAA's definition for this stat also means leaving the program for any reason (transferring, going pro, quitting, etc.). Also keep in mind this involves enrollees from '95-'98, so it doesn't involve the Mac era per se' in terms of players he directly recruited.

        In other forums, this same NCAA benchmark is what Kelvin Sampson is being slammed over (no graduation of black players), and ISU is on the verge of loosing a scholarship due to low graduation rates, although they are just above the threshold. I don't know that I would chalk this up to the broad category of "east coast bias". It is what it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but our academic record during the Mac era has been pretty good, right?

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        • #5
          I am not completely familair with the NCAA's process for looking at graduation rates, but I believe that they only look at whether the student graduated from the institution in which the student started at, so if a student starts at UNI as a freshman and then transfers to another school and does earn a degree, then that student would be counted against UNI's numbers. There was a ton of transfers out of UNI during the four years of the study.

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          • #6
            they look at a recruiting class and like 6 yrs later come out with the number. they follow them as freshmen coming in. juco players and other transfers dont count. therefore this year the only qualifying people would be little and jacobson. no crawford and whoever else came in with these guys but left or didnt graduate count against us. its a really retarded system but what do you expect from the NCAA?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Purple Reign
              So, some Bob Woodward "wanna be" from Connecticut is P----- that his beloved Huskies got beat. I seriously question both his facts and his motives.

              PR
              You question his facts? That's a good one... From an "upstanding" member of our community, I would expect better. The facts are that UNI hired a BUM before McDermott who was an awful coach and awful judge of character. That's about it.

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              • #8
                I think PR was thinking they were using stats from the McDermott era.

                From another article where these stats were from:
                The study examined four classes that entered between 1995-96 and 1998-99. (as stated before)

                So, this was squarely in the Weaver era. There was turnover (due to coaching changes and personalities). Plus, there were several Juco's that Weaver recruited in that time. Those players didn't count in these numbers. If you look at the McDermott years, the graduation rates have been solid (even some of the players McD inherited that were juniors/seniors graduated). But players like Sievering (Juco transfer), Erik Smith (CSU transfer), Trey Austin (Houston transfer), Octav (Juco transfer), David Gruber (Juco transfer), Schneiderman (Morningside transfer), Blake Anderson (Juco transfer), and Erik Crawford would not be included in these numbers, b/c they don't fit into the NCAA's graduation criteria.

                Don't worry about these numbers, b/c that was before "the change"...and the program is in much better position...plus, the APR is the main numbers we need to watch, and that figure is the highest rating in the MVC I believe.
                The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CF Panther
                  You question his facts? That's a good one... From an "upstanding" member of our community, I would expect better. The facts are that UNI hired a BUM before McDermott who was an awful coach and awful judge of character. That's about it.
                  CF, care to explain that "upstanding member comment?"

                  PR
                  You don't break out the Purple and Gold on game days or look for special gifts and gadgets bearing the colors because you want to be seen among the loyal. Purple and Gold aren't colors you see---they're colors you feel. They run through your veins with a continuous roar.

                  Ya Gotta Believe

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CF Panther
                    You question his facts? That's a good one... From an "upstanding" member of our community:
                    You certaintly are not. Stupid comment CF.

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                    • #11
                      This guys article and argument hold no weight. Statistics can always be manipulated to make a point. I wonder how many coaches of schools during the time frame he's using are still there now.

                      This dude is a freelance writer for what looks a hardly credible source. It would be like getting my sports coverage from www.cityview.com

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                      • #12
                        Here's another stat

                        The percentage of people he probably actually talked to that he quoted in the article:

                        0%

                        Any one of us could have written that. Find some links, the NCAA grad rates and ta-da....

                        a dirty secret.

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                        • #13
                          the study was based from 95-98. It has ZERO bearing on the current class. This is irresponsible spin at best and a complete misrepresentation of the facts. Any professor would grade his paper(article) at a D or D-
                          Irreverence is another person's disrespect to your god; there isn't any word that tells what your disrespect to his god is. -- Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            Okay, am I the only one who is catching this? I started at UNI in the fall of 1997, and I know for a fact that Eldon Miller was the head coach through and including the spring of 1998.

                            So, with the exception of one year, the statistics quoted fall squarely on Miller's head, not Weavers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Newsbreaker
                              Okay, am I the only one who is catching this? I started at UNI in the fall of 1997, and I know for a fact that Eldon Miller was the head coach through and including the spring of 1998.

                              So, with the exception of one year, the statistics quoted fall squarely on Miller's head, not Weavers.
                              Good catch. That is only part of the story though, as Weaver was responsible for a lot of changes when he came in (transfers in-out). Miller is also in part guilty on these numbers though. Remember, it was enrollees during those years. Also, for everyone talking about this being irrelevant, it's not. It would be tough to get much more recent data than what was provided seeing as how they give the athletes something like 6 years to graduate.

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