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  • #1

    What do you think?

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    SLU is going to build a brand new $80.5 million facility that will seat 10,600. This is very interesting b/c the MVC (i.e.- Doug Elgin) has said before that they would really like to have SLU join the MVC. Currently, SLU plays in the A-10, where their closest conference rival is Dayton...in Ohio! That's some major traveling and expenses. Also, the lack of regional rivalries has to take a dip in fan interest. I looked at SLU's last 10 years of attendance, and they averaged 14,004 the first 6 years of the ten, and the last four years, they averaged 8,876. This past year was the first year they joined the A-10. Interest has obviously dropped, even before SLU went to the A-10.

    With that said, with SLU moving out of the Savvis Center, and into their new "home" arena, if the MVC were to add SLU, it would take away the home court advantage that SLU would have had in the MVC Tourney, had they stayed at Savvis. Adding SLU would give the MVC an even stronger presence in St. Louis, and basically owning alot of the basketball viewers in the Illinois/Missouri area due to the strong rivalries of SIU/MSU/BU/ILSU/SLU.

    So, what do you think of this? Could this be a step in the direction of adding SLU to the MVC, especially if SLU realizes how expensive the costs would be for SLU to play in the A-10, and how cheap it would be to play in the MVC. The MVC is probably a stronger conference top to bottom as the A-10 on a consistent basis.

    I'm not a huge fan of MVC expansion (b/c I like the round robin play), but if a school were to ever drop from the MVC, would you like SLU to join? Who else realistically woudl you like to see the MVC add, if a team were to ever leave?
    The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.
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    Interesting question. I think it's a good idea...IF...the MVC sees itself as a basketball only conference in the future. Hasn't there been some talk of the conference bringing back football at some point, albeit maybe only fan speculation? I can't see the MVC adding another b-ball only school if that's the case. Otherwise, St. Louis U has a good b-ball tradition, is geographically desirable, good reputation, and frankly might be a better fit now than UNI was when we joined.

    PTTB, is there chatter about a school potentially leaving?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SteinPizza
      PTTB, is there chatter about a school potentially leaving?

      Witchita has had discussions about bringing back football. If they were to do that, I could see them joining another conference. But, anything can happen.

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      • #4
        I don't think anyone will leave to go to a "bigger conference". The MVC is just as strong as ever. The only "bigger conferences" would be the BCS schools, and I don't see any of the top MVC teams being able to join those conferences w/out having football...or the money to jump to 1-A football.

        I guess out of all the schools, Evansville did a study, or the president threatened to, drop the school's athletics to D3 a few years ago. If you read the Drake message board, they were making comments a month ago about joining the Mid-Con. Nothing beyong "what ifs" from their fans, but interesting discussion nonetheless.
        The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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        • #5
          An interesting option, and a MUCH more attractive one IMHO then adding any of the "Dakota" schools. I've always thought that while STL is the 'media market' of the MVC, it's not really a home market in anything other then league mailing address. Getting an "anchor" school in that city would be a good thing.

          The league faces a defining question in the coming years. Is it to be a "Basketball" league with other sports subservent, or a more differentiated league?

          Personally, I think the league must make basketball it's marquee sport. By doing so, hopefully it can add resources to other, non-revenue sports, but basketball is the sport where the MVC can become a serious national player.

          As to WSU possibly "leaving" it both does, and does not make sense. They are THE team in baseball, and very competitive in the 'big' sport of basketball. I can't see major advantages of them leaving in those sports (they aren't going to go to a better league in either) but can understand with football. If they feel they won't be able to compete (and by adding the sport, their fan base will expect a high level of play) in an MVC Football league, maybe they think other pastures will be better.

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          • #6
            St. Louis used to be in the MVC, and then left with Louisville, Memphis, and Cincy to join the Metro Conference in the mid 70's which became part of C-USA.

            Having a team in a large media market would definitely help the MVC's media coverage, and they're located in the middle of the existing MVC.

            I would be surprised if Wichita State tried to bring back D-1A football because of how expensive it would be, and when WSU had a team before, the program lost a lot of money. D-1AA, either a program like the Gateway schools, or like Drake's would make more sense.
            "Lot of people talked about Ohio State or Georgetown or Michigan State or whoever, [or] Maryland in our bracket. When the brackets came out, the first team I looked at was Northern Iowa," Kansas Coach Bill Self.

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            • #7
              So, if SLU were to join the MVC, would you still want the MVC Tourney in St. Louis, or would you like to move it somewhere else? And why?
              The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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              • #8
                I would love to see the tourey rotate between St. Louis and KC. It would give the western schools a shorter trip and would put the valley in the amazing new Sprint Center

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bcrawf
                  I would love to see the tourey rotate between St. Louis and KC. It would give the western schools a shorter trip and would put the valley
                  in the amazing new Sprint Center

                  I like that idea also. KC is a much shorter trip for me!

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                  • #10
                    when the big ten tourney leaves goes to chicago for good....i would love to see an MVC Tourneament in Indy's Conseco Fieldhouse....this would probably never happen, but hey, i guy can dream right?? i just feel the town could do some cool things for the MVC...the state loves WELL PLAYED BASKETBALL ... that is the MVC.

                    a tournament in KC would be nice also....is the Big 12 ever going to be in Kemper again? is there a new facility going in to KC? relatives told me of rumors of a newer arena ....
                    Last edited by B.True; 06-24-2006, 08:58 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Kemper will be no more in 18 months. The Sprint Center, glass roof and all, is almost done

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                      • #12
                        B.True, the Big Ten Tournament has moved to Indy "perminently"...ie, for at least the next 5 years.

                        I'd like to see the MVC Tournament play on a rotating schedule between STL, KC and Des Moines, actually. If Creighton didn't play in the Omaha facility, that would make a good venue too.

                        I don't mean an equal rotation, though. Something like this: STL - KC - DSM - STL - KC - STL - KC - DSM and so on.

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                        • #13
                          So, is consistency the secret to success financially and attendance wise (i.e.- the MVC Tourney in one place) or is it, being rotated between 3 locations, the best for the conference? What do they teach marketing majors? I honestly don't know.

                          Would having the MVC Tourney in Des Moines open the eyes to everyone in Des Moines, or would it just be an effort to appease the locals (CU, DU, UNI)? Honestly, I thought the basketball set up for the Wells Fargo Arena wasn't very good. I'm not sure if I would want a conference tourney, with the MVC's caliber to be played there, unless there were some major changes made on the end zone seating set up. Those seats were just bad, IMO.
                          The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice, clouds and thick darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne. Fire goes before Him, and consumes his foes on every side; His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles; the mountains melt like wax before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim His righteousness and all peoples will see His glory.

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                          • #14
                            SLU (from my time living in St. Louis) will neer join the Valley. They think it's an inferior conference. They think that Duquesne and St. Bonavaneture are better home draws than SIU and MSU. They're wrong. This would be a great move for SLU and it would further enhance attendance at the Valley Tournament...but SLU will never do it. They think the added exposure to the East Coast aids them in admissions recruiting and they like that. I wish they'd pull their heads out of their rear ends, but I don't think it will ever happen.
                            "10% of life is what happens to you, 90% is how you react to what happens."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Newsbreaker
                              B.True, the Big Ten Tournament has moved to Indy "perminently"...ie, for at least the next 5 years.

                              I'd like to see the MVC Tournament play on a rotating schedule between STL, KC and Des Moines, actually. If Creighton didn't play in the Omaha facility, that would make a good venue too.

                              I don't mean an equal rotation, though. Something like this: STL - KC - DSM - STL - KC - STL - KC - DSM and so on.
                              thanks for the correction news. after following the story and being so flabbergasted that it is really coming here to Indy, i slipped up. this town had to come up the the same kind of jack that iowa pays out for a i-aa football game just to get the big10 here. with that said, and my brain fart in the past....i'd say SLU would be a cool place to explore for the MVC tourney....but after looking at that Kansas City arena, it looks sweet....how often will the Big12 be there???

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