Get a grip

[ubuntuCAT]

The only perspective you need is that we have the highest paid coach and coaching staff in the conference, and we are in dead f'ing last in the Valley and are staring directly at two really brutal losing seasons in a row.

What we were as a program in 2002 is utterly irrelevant.

THIS!!!

kaboom

[JD720]

Look at the vast majority of the game last night. Our lineup was Canton, Il (Pop 14k), North Liberty, IA (60k with Iowa City), Peosta, IA (1300), Waverly, iA (9500) and Ashwaubenon, WI (16k, total metro of Green Bay is smaller than Waterloo/Cedar Falls). We've GOT to get into larger areas with bigger talent pools.

That sounds a lot like our best team ever. Sheffield, Charlies City, Cedar Rapids, Marion, Coralville, North Liberty. That team also had 1 from Minneapolis and one from Suburban Austin, TX, but the current team has basically the same (swap Austin for Dallas).

[hoopfan]

Growing up in large metropolitan areas is crucial to developing basketball talent?

Players from larger metropolitan areas will have played against better talent consistently and be more prepared for the college game. Playing 30 games a year as a 6'10" kid in Ashwaubenon and you may play someone over 6'6" three times each year. All of our guys play AAU, but you need more than summer ball against good talent to continue to develop. Metro areas typically offer more talented players due to the number of players in those areas.

BC is correct regarding the staff and some turnover. There is either no one on staff with new ideas or they aren't being listened to during game prep and game day. The current struggles should make anyone listen to new ideas, if they are available. With all the success the original post referenced, recruiting shouldn't be as hard as it appears to be at UNI.

[Skej75]

At one level this is sort of a compliment but one of the problems with this team is that the players are too unselfish. Scoring in basketball is all about gaining an advantage and exploiting it. How many times does Koch get the ball one on one and then hesitate long enough to be double-teamed? At that point, he either gets off a poor shot or turns it over. How many times does Karlson get the ball, make a move to the basket and inexplicably stop, look to pass it and lose the advantage he had with a quick first step? Get the ball and shoot an in-rhythm jump shot or, if one-on-one, take it to the hoop. Score or get fouled. There's a pretty good chance for one or the other. That's what he did two years ago when he played so well in the post season and showed so much potential. Brown and Lohaus can both put in on the floor and score off the dribble but they have to look to shoot when they get a half step. Unfortunately, we also have a real weakness a point guard. Very quick, hard worker but he can't hit the broad side of a barn most nights. His lay-up percentage must be under 50%. I don't think we can do any better on the current squad but it is a problem. Things get better with young Green next year but let's not take away his aggressiveness too. If we can find an assistant or two who are better recruiters, I don't think anyone would object to that.

[Purple member]

I don't know where to post this, so I'll pile on here. I was a bit surprised that on the day after a really bad loss to E'ville I got a nice message from the PSC reminding me it's time to send in more money. I know it's a annual process, but the timing was bad.

[clenz]

Nothing about this program is good right now.

Trying to paint it as otherwise is blind and pretty ignorant.

[TravelingPanther]

Here’s some perspective. We hung with Nova and Xavier, beat UTA and UNLV, and had a shot at an at large bid going into the Iowa State game. Now we are below .500. Same players, same coaches, same team. Mind blowing.

[Blue42]

Nothing about this program is good right now.

Trying to paint it as otherwise is blind and pretty ignorant.

I know you're a passionate fan my man.

But damn you do tend to get out on the ledge pretty fast.

We've got AJ next year and scholly's to use. Things can change quickly in modern college hoops. Let's not go with the nuclear option just yet.

[panthergirl123]

Players from larger metropolitan areas will have played against better talent consistently and be more prepared for the college game. Playing 30 games a year as a 6'10" kid in Ashwaubenon and you may play someone over 6'6" three times each year. All of our guys play AAU, but you need more than summer ball against good talent to continue to develop. Metro areas typically offer more talented players due to the number of players in those areas.

I agree with the idea of kids playing in the AAU circuit. I do believe this definitely helps those individuals sharpen their athletic skills. However, I don't see it being just a large school option.

Talent is only one factor in a program success. I just feel our program right now is lacking in either execution or motivation. I'm actually not sure which. It actually could be both. Quite honestly it could be lack of both by the players and the coaches. I really hate to say that because I am a fan of Coach Jake and all that he has done.

[ubuntuCAT]

Here’s some perspective. We hung with Nova and Xavier, beat UTA and UNLV, and had a shot at an at large bid going into the Iowa State game. Now we are below .500. Same players, same coaches, same team. Mind blowing.

This is certainly the weirdest part. It's not like we had a bunch of people hurt or leave the program since those games so WTF happened?

[ubuntuCAT]

I know you're a passionate fan my man.

But damn you do tend to get out on the ledge pretty fast.

We've got AJ next year and scholly's to use. Things can change quickly in modern college hoops. Let's not go with the nuclear option just yet.

Plus Koch graduates

[DownGoesKansas]

Name one UNI team that was decent that couldn't shoot? I don't think you can. I get the athleticism argument but we need people to make shots. Given our location I think it's a necessity. We start a lineup where Isaiah is our best shooter. He's gotten a lot better and I like him but on most UNI teams he'd be 3-4. Next year with a lineup of AJ and Wyatt he will be back there. That is my biggest frustration/concern.

Also, Fran's terrible recruiting at Iowa has really hurt us. Pemsl, Kreiner, and Bohannon should all be here as Iowa was the only "big" offer. Pemsl had some other decent offers I think but Bohannon and Kreiner did not. The outlook would be a lot better with them. We need to control the in state recruiting. Iowa and UNC can get the Paige's and Weiskamp's but we have to get everyone else.

[JD720]

Also, Fran's terrible recruiting at Iowa has really hurt us. Pemsl, Kreiner, and Bohannon should all be here as Iowa was the only "big" offer. Pemsl had some other decent offers I think but Bohannon and Kreiner did not. The outlook would be a lot better with them. We need to control the in state recruiting. Iowa and UNC can get the Paige's and Weiskamp's but we have to get everyone else.

I always wonder how accurate these are, but according to Rivals Kriener had Missouri and Minnesota offers. I'm not sure what you consider "Big" but there are some Big East offers too. Creighton offered Pemsl and Depaul offered Bohannon and Kreiner.

Either way, I agree...we probably had as good of a shot as anyone other than Iowa with these guys.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/ryan-kriener-1612

[DownGoesKansas]

I always wonder how accurate these are, but according to Rivals Kriener had Missouri and Minnesota offers. I'm not sure what you consider "Big" but there are some Big East offers too. Creighton offered Pemsl and Depaul offered Bohannon and Kreiner.

Either way, I agree...we probably had as good of a shot as anyone other than Iowa with these guys.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/ryan-kriener-1612

Valid points, hard to remember exactly. Pemsl had solid interest. I guess I don't remember Kreiner for sure. Or DePaul with Bohannon but I don't consider that a better offer. Plus a lot of times those offers were no longer valid for one reason or another..

[Blue42]

Name one UNI team that was decent that couldn't shoot? I don't think you can. I get the athleticism argument but we need people to make shots. Given our location I think it's a necessity. We start a lineup where Isaiah is our best shooter. He's gotten a lot better and I like him but on most UNI teams he'd be 3-4. Next year with a lineup of AJ and Wyatt he will be back there. That is my biggest frustration/concern.

Also, Fran's terrible recruiting at Iowa has really hurt us. Pemsl, Kreiner, and Bohannon should all be here as Iowa was the only "big" offer. Pemsl had some other decent offers I think but Bohannon and Kreiner did not. The outlook would be a lot better with them. We need to control the in state recruiting. Iowa and UNC can get the Paige's and Weiskamp's but we have to get everyone else.

Agree on your point about shooting.

UNI hoops has always been lower on the curve in terms of athleticism (defined as length, speed, jumping ability).

But we were high on shooting, execution and defense. That formula works.

However, right now we're low on everything but D.

No one can play enough D for 40 minutes to overcome that.