Altman to Iowa?

[jman2004]

So then be done with it. Congratulations.

Why should I go to the Iowa board when I'm talking about conference tournaments in general? Doesn't the Valley also have a conference tournament?

I hate the whole "go to the Iowa board" comeback. It's kind of old.

[Matt Trump]

Back to the conversation. Moving in a big time conference doesn't necessarily mean instant success. The school and tradition have a lot to do with it too. Yeah, Iowa made it to the Final Four under Lute but after that they really didn't do much in the tournament under Dr. Tom. A few sweet 16 runs here and there despite all of the benefits of being in a BCS conference certainly has not taken them to the next level. Argue whether or not it has something to do with the coach but Iowa hasn't really done anything significant in basketball other than just making it to the tourney. During that time, Creighton has pretty much done the same things as far making the tourney. Alford was supposed to take them to the next level and he was the golden child. I don't see why Altman could do anything different at Iowa than what he can at Creighton.

College basketball is a different game. The top recruits are always going to go to the elite schools, prep schools, or the NBA. The rich always keep getting richer and it will continue.

[Newsbreaker]

Well, Iowa got BOUNCED by Purdue this afternoon, so this will start getting interesting fairly quickly, if it's going to.

[GonzoCat]

I don't see why Altman could do anything different at Iowa than what he can at Creighton.

Do you feel McDermott can do anything different at ISU than he could at UNI? Other than make a lot more money?

I know many people thought he could and cited many reasons (major conference, facilities, recruiting, etc.) I just don't remember if you were one of them. Any opportunities GM gained by moving to ISU would apply to Altman moving to Iowa, probably even more so.

[jman2004]

Awesome example Gonzo! I was thinking the exact same thing.

[SteinPizza]

College basketball is a different game. The top recruits are always going to go to the elite schools, prep schools, or the NBA. The rich always keep getting richer and it will continue.

Agreed. I've always thought that football recruiting is a far more inexact science than basketball. There are a ton of guys who've gone on to solid if not great NFL careers who came from no-name schools (on a national level). The same isn't true in basketball. There are lots of Bryce Paup/Terry Bradshaw/Kurt Warner/Dedric Ward/Jerry Rice/Walter Payton type examples in the NFL. The vast bulk of NBA players seem to be McDonalds All Americans in high school and go on to play in a power conference. For every Scottie Pippen or Kyle Korver you can mention, I'll bet there are 20 examples in the NFL, and it's not just because an NFL roster has more players.

[Matt Trump]

Do you feel McDermott can do anything different at ISU than he could at UNI? Other than make a lot more money?

I know many people thought he could and cited many reasons (major conference, facilities, recruiting, etc.) I just don't remember if you were one of them. Any opportunities GM gained by moving to ISU would apply to Altman moving to Iowa, probably even more so.

I was waiting for this from you. Ours is a totally different situation than the comparison I am making between Creighton an Iowa. Sorry to say this but, Creighton and UNI are programs on 2 different levels. Even if Altman would have went to ISU it would have been a lateral move. Go to a game in their arena, look at the standings, and examine the history between the 2 and see what I mean. WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUR FANS TO STAND AND CHEER AT THE RIGHT TIMES because we're not used to success!!! Bottom line is that Creighton is on par with Iowa and ISU.

Iowa isn't going anywhere in the Big 11 in basketball unless tOSU, Michigan St, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Purdue leave or George Raveling/Lute Olsen come back.

I said this last year as well. UNI's basketball program was on the same level on the court as Iowa and ISU when GMAC left. But, there is more potential at those places than at UNI. I'm sorry to say it but its a fact. Same could be said if GMAC were to go to Creighton. Until our students and alumni stop being Hawk or Clone fans when they graduate, the change will only happen slowly.

What makes you Hawk fans think your soooo special that Dana Altman will fall in your lap???????? He has had more than a few chances to leave Creighton for programs in bigger conferences with better media exposure and he has chosen to stay. Last I checked, there were recent openings at ISU, Missouri, Kstate, Oklahoma, Indiana, tOSU, NEBRASKA and Altman didn't bolt for any of them. This mentality of Hawk fans that they can automatically get whatever coach they want pisses me off. I mean, I'm surprised GMAC didn't pack up and leave for Iowa City right after he won the MVC title.

[Matt Trump]

Agreed. I've always thought that football recruiting is a far more inexact science than basketball. There are a ton of guys who've gone on to solid if not great NFL careers who came from no-name schools (on a national level). The same isn't true in basketball. There are lots of Bryce Paup/Terry Bradshaw/Kurt Warner/Dedric Ward/Jerry Rice/Walter Payton type examples in the NFL. The vast bulk of NBA players seem to be McDonalds All Americans in high school and go on to play in a power conference. For every Scottie Pippen or Kyle Korver you can mention, I'll bet there are 20 examples in the NFL, and it's not just because an NFL roster has more players.

Not to mention that you can go to the NBA only 1 year after graduating high school...

[9YRPLAN]

It was widley reported that the athletic department intervened with johsnon county attorney to have sentence reduced. The young women whom he raped would probably not characterise this as justice.

here is the deal when a player rapes someone:

1. the coach should never ever defend him
2. he should be off the team for good
3. justice should be allowed to prevail without interference from outside source. i.e. u of iowa coach and AD

look it up. this thing was a mess with alford standing in the middle of it.

like i said, dont embarass yourself....

the woman refused to press charges. do you think alot of completely innocent victims protected by the rape shield laws dont want to see ther attacker behind bars? do you think coach alford, who is a devout christian and doesnt hide it, would let a rapist walk? of course, i also know a whole lot of DA's who dont want a high profile case like this....yeah right. im sure the head coach of a basketball team can reeeeally put alot of pressure on the DA. get a clue.

KNOW THE STORY before you start throwing out accusations.

iowa's 2007 class is already signed. i was referring to the 2008 class, where iowa has verbal commitments from the rivals #32, #92, and...join the iowa premium board for the rest.

i financially support, and have degrees from, both iowa and uni, so i do not choose sides. but for the sake of the reputation of uni fans, dont be an idiot.

[9YRPLAN]

Thanks PTTB.

So, getting even further off topic . . . was Tyler Smith ranked at all before coming to Iowa? What about Gorney?

Williebat, I thought Alford had a pretty good recruiting season this current year, (I don't know off the top of my head about specific rankings) so just because Creighton and ISU have 2 players coming from Rvials top 150 list, doesn't really provide sufficient proof that Alford can't recruit big time players.

gorney was borderline top 150. he had an ohio state offer. he is now the worst player in division 1.

tyler smith was rivals #43 after his prep school year, had offers from cincy, pitt, and kentucky. he was #34 overall out of high school with offers from kansas, ucla, and bama but he signed with tennesee. not a sleeper by any means, he is one of iowa's best recruits ever. craig neal was his main recruiter.

[Durf73]

Ralph Miller was a better coach than Lute (Cry About the Press) Olson - check it out & see who won more Big Ten Titles at Iowa ! When Ralph was coaching it was win the title or there was no dance !!!
Plus Dr Tom was as good as Lute & alot easier to put up with !!

If Alford did leave, the U of I would be getting a better coach with the Altman but I doubt if that is going to happen. It would also make UNI's basketball life easier. That guy has killed us !

It that time of year !!!!!

[GonzoCat]

Trump-

You are all over the board and you aren't making any sense. You say Creighton is on the same level as Iowa and Iowa State. I agree. You say UNI is on the same level as Iowa and Iowa State. I agree. You say UNI is not on the same level as Creighton. I disagree. You say there is more potential at Iowa or Iowa State then at UNI. Perhaps this is true, but it is also true then that there is more potential at Iowa and Iowa State then at Creighton. That was the point of my post. It's the exact same situation.

BTW I didn't say Iowa could just get anyone they wanted or snap their fingers and get Altman or whatever. I said they could pay him a lot more money if they really wanted to, and if that is what would motivate him, they could get him. I also said Iowa isn't looking for a coach so the whole discussion is moot.

[9YRPLAN]

Trump-

You are all over the board and you aren't making any sense. You say Creighton is on the same level as Iowa and Iowa State. I agree. You say UNI is on the same level as Iowa and Iowa State. I agree. You say UNI is not on the same level as Creighton. I disagree. You say there is more potential at Iowa or Iowa State then at UNI. Perhaps this is true, but it is also true then that there is more potential at Iowa and Iowa State then at Creighton. That was the point of my post. It's the exact same situation.

BTW I didn't say Iowa could just get anyone they wanted or snap their fingers and get Altman or whatever. I said they could pay him a lot more money if they really wanted to, and if that is what would motivate him, they could get him. I also said Iowa isn't looking for a coach so the whole discussion is moot.

how old is altman? late 40's? i just cant see him leaving. without a football team, everything revolves around his basketball team. creighton is a fantastic school with alot of donor money, plus warren buffett is his backyard. he is making high-major money, without the pressure.

[Matt Trump]

Trump-

You are all over the board and you aren't making any sense. You say Creighton is on the same level as Iowa and Iowa State. I agree. You say UNI is on the same level as Iowa and Iowa State. I agree. You say UNI is not on the same level as Creighton. I disagree. You say there is more potential at Iowa or Iowa State then at UNI. Perhaps this is true, but it is also true then that there is more potential at Iowa and Iowa State then at Creighton. That was the point of my post. It's the exact same situation.

No. I said that last year UNI was the same ON THE COURT as ISU and Iowa. There is a difference. Resources and potential don't equal to success on the court and in the tournament but they can make a difference when it comes to where someone wants to work.

[Coachdags]

Do you feel McDermott can do anything different at ISU than he could at UNI? Other than make a lot more money?

I know many people thought he could and cited many reasons (major conference, facilities, recruiting, etc.) I just don't remember if you were one of them. Any opportunities GM gained by moving to ISU would apply to Altman moving to Iowa, probably even more so.

"Mac" in one day has visited players in Texas, Colorado. It would take "Jake" 3-5 days to visit the same kids.

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