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[Newsbreaker]

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You might want to avoid the pissing match concerning IQs that is a battle you and most other division 1a schools will loose with us.

The 113th ranked National University is making this claim? It's a good school, but it's not elite, and it's not in the top tier, or even top two tiers, of DI football schools in terms of academics. Hell, Iowa has two state FBS schools that are better than BYU in terms of academics.

[clenz]

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You might want to avoid the pissing match concerning IQs that is a battle you and most other division 1a schools will loose with us.

Per UNI's front page (www.uni.edu)

For the 12th consecutive year, UNI is ranked second in the "Best Midwest Universities -- Master's" category for public universities, according to U.S. News & World Report's 2009 "America's Best Colleges" guidebook.

UNI - #17 Masters

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/1890

[Dingo]

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I have no doubt that the University of Northern Iowa is a fine school, but so is BYU. The average high school GPA to even get into BYU is 3.8 in a university with 30,000 plus students. Not bad for a bunch of dolts with double-digit IQs.

The larger question is, how does one determine the IQ of an entire fan base based on a few posts on a college football message board? Sheesh, this is some of most inane banter I've ever heard.

[SteinPizza]

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The larger question is, how does one determine the IQ of an entire fan base based on a few posts on a college football message board? Sheesh, this is some of most inane banter I've ever heard.

Who on this board did that? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I have yet to read a UNI fan who has painted with such a broad brush. The posts you're referring to are correctly pointing out a couple of idiots in your fan base, nothing more. One in particular seems to think that BYU's D Line rivals the '85 Bears...there's no way we'll be able to gain yard one on the ground

[Dingo]

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Who on this board did that? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I have yet to read a UNI fan who has painted with such a broad brush. The posts you're referring to are correctly pointing out a couple of idiots in your fan base, nothing more. One in particular seems to think that BYU's D Line rivals the '85 Bears...there's no way we'll be able to gain yard one on the ground

Fair enough. We definitely have some overzealous fans.

The '85 bears comment was an exaggeration. However, BYU is very good against the run. Last year BYU was ranked 9th in rushing defense (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank....shdef&site=org) and didn't allow a single 100 yard rusher. The D line is the strength of the BYU defense this year. Corey Lewis will gain some yards, but it won't be easy.

[Newsbreaker]

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I have no doubt that the University of Northern Iowa is a fine school, but so is BYU. The average high school GPA to even get into BYU is 3.8 in a university with 30,000 plus students. Not bad for a bunch of dolts with double-digit IQs.

The larger question is, how does one determine the IQ of an entire fan base based on a few posts on a college football message board? Sheesh, this is some of most inane banter I've ever heard.

In an era of grade inflation, high entrance GPA's (when many of the best students work on a 5 point system anyway) isn't indicative of much.

The rankings aren't great, but they are what they are. The claim was made that most of Division I couldn't make a claim over the academics of BYU, when in fact the entire Big Ten, most of the Big XII, most of the Pac-10 and a number of FCS and FBS Mid-Majors can make just that claim.

[Dingo]

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In an era of grade inflation, high entrance GPA's (when many of the best students work on a 5 point system anyway) isn't indicative of much.

The rankings aren't great, but they are what they are. The claim was made that most of Division I couldn't make a claim over the academics of BYU, when in fact the entire Big Ten, most of the Big XII, most of the Pac-10 and a number of FCS and FBS Mid-Majors can make just that claim.

OK, Newsbreaker. BYU sucks at academics. I mean after all, if US News and World Report says something, by golly that's the final word. You talk like you have some kind of huge inferiority complex.

Your first paragraph is complete nonsense. Let me tell you what the 3.8 average GPA (out of 4.0, not 5.0) for entering freshmen means. It means that BYU is able to attract a lot of smart kids (30,000+) that otherwise would be going to some of the other schools you mention. And the obvious reason for that, as you would have us believe, is because they want to get an inferior education at BYU.

Give it a rest, will you? You don't know anything about BYU.

[Newsbreaker]

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OK, Newsbreaker. BYU sucks at academics. I mean after all, if US News and World Report says something, by golly that's the final word. You talk like you have some kind of huge inferiority complex.

Your first paragraph is complete nonsense. Let me tell you what the 3.8 average GPA (out of 4.0, not 5.0) for entering freshmen means. It means that BYU is able to attract a lot of smart kids (30,000+) that otherwise would be going to some of the other schools you mention. And the obvious reason for that, as you would have us believe, is because they want to get an inferior education at BYU.

Give it a rest, will you? You don't know anything about BYU.

I didn't say BYU "sucks" at anything. I pointed out that the claim that "very few" DI football schools had anything over BYU in terms of academics was patently untrue. By the most widely accepted objective measurement, BYU is not quite on the level portrayed. That has been shown and proven now.

The GPA discussion is completely separate. Besides providing no documentation for the "3.8" number, you're wrong that every one of those students is on a 4.0 system. Many, many, many, many schools operate on a 5.0 system now, inflating grade point averages. Grade inflation is a major issue in education, and one you should spend a little time examining before you attempt to discuss the subject.

[Panther-at-Arms]

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You might want to avoid the pissing match concerning IQs that is a battle you and most other division 1a schools will loose with us.

This is the comment Newsbreaker has been addressing, dingo. No one is saying BYU sucks at academics.

We are merely refuting BYUTexan's argument that BYU is academically head and shoulders above "most other division 1a schools." More specifically that BYU is not head and shoulders above us.

[GuitarGuyCoug]

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Memo to BYUTexan:

SHUT UP!

You're embarrassing yourself, and the rest of us!

That is all.

[Dingo]

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I didn't say BYU "sucks" at anything. I pointed out that the claim that "very few" DI football schools had anything over BYU in terms of academics was patently untrue. By the most widely accepted objective measurement, BYU is not quite on the level portrayed. That has been shown and proven now.

The GPA discussion is completely separate. Besides providing no documentation for the "3.8" number, you're wrong that every one of those students is on a 4.0 system. Many, many, many, many schools operate on a 5.0 system now, inflating grade point averages. Grade inflation is a major issue in education, and one you should spend a little time examining before you attempt to discuss the subject.

5.0 GPAs are converted to 4.0 scale. As for documentation for the 3.8, why don't you go back and check your own source: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre..._overview.html

Here's some more info on entrance requirements for BYU:
http://saas.byu.edu/admissionsservic...e_averages.htm

Perhaps it is you who needs to spend a little more time examining the facts.

[Dingo]

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Memo to BYUTexan:

SHUT UP!

You're embarrassing yourself, and the rest of us!

That is all.

Thank you Guitar. I couldn't agree more.

[Panther-at-Arms]

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Thank you Guitar. I couldn't agree more.

For what it's worth, we all know he's a moron and doesn't represent the whole of the BYU faithful. Our IQ comments have been directed at him and the other trolls.

[Dingo]

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For what it's worth, we all know he's a moron and doesn't represent the whole of the BYU faithful. Our IQ comments have been directed at him and the other trolls.

Thanks for making the distinction.

[Dingo]

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UCLA is BCS. BYU is MWC. UCLA is bigtime (sic) you guys are mid-major.

ISU is BCS. BYU is MWC. ISU is bigtime (sic) and we beat them. You guys are mid-major.

You know, Newsbreaker, I haven't said anything negative about UNI, because I really do respect the program, but it's very amusing to see you denigrate Collie's performance against a 6-7 UCLA team--a team that had some excellent athletes on defense--while trumpeting UNI's win over "big time" ISU, a team that went 3-9 and also lost to such powerhouses as Kent St. and Toledo.

I want to make sure I understand your logic (which is remarkably similar to BYUTexan's). If ISU is big time, simply because they are in the Big 12 (not because of the quality of their team), then where exactly does that put UNI? But wait, ISU is big time and UNI beat ISU, therefore UNI > big time. Got it.

Newsbreaker = BYUTexan