Official BYU game Thread

[coug]

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USD doesn't matter to us either then. I guess we should play our 3rd stringers all of next week?

You should always try to win, but if a player is clearly hurt, and if the game is clearly out of reach, and if losing doesn't affect your chances at all at obtaining your ultimate goal (a I-AA title), then no way, no how you put that guy back in the game.

I-AA=FCS. I hate the stupid name change, so I stick with I-AA.

[06panther10]

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It doesn't matter as far as your chances of winning a I-AA title go. It would have been a nice win, and would have helped build the program if you do win. But no sane coach in America would risk the health of the star player on his team once it was clear he was in pain to keep him in a game that was already unwinnable.

Thats not entirely true. We lost to Iowa State two years ago by a missed field goal, and that loss kept us out of the playoffs.

[clenz]

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The toe didn't come down first, either. Not that it matters at all. He came down flat footed.

Wrong .
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[clenz]

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Just don't want to give BYU fans the impression that bad calls and fumbles cost us the game.

See FierceArc's post #116

I realize, I should have double quoted.

[Khan4Cats]

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Dude, if any part of you is out of bounds when you come down, you are out. It doesn't matter at all if a toe is in bounds. You are still out. No wonder you thought the refs were awful. You don't understand the basic rules.

Your trainers report to your coaches. The coaching staff was reckless. Grace clearly was in agony. Who didn't see that injury coming after what he went through? It is all the more shameless given that the game was totally out of reach when he got injured, and even worse when you realize that even an amazing comeback to beat BYU does nothing to get you your I-AA title. The coaches were reckless. They determine who goes in and who goes out. The trainers don't tell Grace to get back in the game. The coaches do, and you know it. I hope the young man is ok.

Maybe that's how they do it in FBS because with 22 extra scholarships the coaches figure they can dictate to the training staff since they have plenty of reserve bodies to throw in. At UNI, if a player receives medical attention on the field or sideline, the trainer has first say over whether or not he will be cleared to return to the field, regardless of what a coach, or the player, might want.

The game was 34-17 and about 10 minutes to go when he took the second shot to the head by a defender using his helmet as a weapon. The game was not "over" until after that fumble allowed a short-field TD to extend the lead.

[NoPlaceLikeDome]

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To say this doesn't matter is complete bull. UNI now has a loss, and that loss counts against us when it comes to selection of the play-offs. Our team didn't play their hearts out for a game that doesn't matter.

BYU beat us, plain and simple. UNI looked decent, I see some great potential for the rest of the season, though. But seeing some BYU fans make excuses for why UNI did so well in the third quarter is crap. Both teams have freshman, and both teams made mistakes. Same goes for the ref calls on both side. Trying to justify the score does nothing for either side.

[Chitown Panther]

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Good Game BYU....UNI didn't have the horses to keep up with Hall and #32.

UNI shouldn't have given the ball to BYU inside the 25 twice...those 14 points are too much to give away and expect an upset.

UNI's o-line definately needs some worked compared to last year....but I guess that is expected. I was impressed with Grace and Davis at QB. I was also impressed with Collins as a Frosh WR/RB. BYU did a great job keeping Lewis, Gray and Williams out of the game.....and working Grace physically....

Good luck the rest of the year...and I think UNI will be just fine the rest of our year....

[clenz]

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To say this doesn't matter is complete bull. UNI now has a loss, and that loss counts against us when it comes to selection of the play-offs. Our team didn't play their hearts out for a game that doesn't matter.

BYU beat us, plain and simple. UNI looked decent, I see some great potential for the rest of the season, though. But seeing some BYU fans make excuses for why UNI did so well in the third quarter is crap. Both teams have freshman, and both teams made mistakes. Same goes for the ref calls on both side. Trying to justify the score does nothing for either side.

The hypocrisy of BYU fans, on every level, amazes me

[JayJ79]

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Thats not entirely true. We lost to Iowa State two years ago by a missed field goal, and that loss kept us out of the playoffs.

not really. it might have contributed to us not getting an at-large. But I think our home losses to Western Illinois and NORTH DAKOTA contributed more.


But anyway, a game against an FBS opponent may not mean as much as a conference game against the likes of, say, SIU. But it certainly isn't meaningless.


Football is a physical game. Players go back in after being shook up all the time.

[JayJ79]

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The hypocrisy of BYU fans, on every level, amazes me

They can't help it. They're a religious school. Hypocrisy comes naturally....


(haha. kidding. hypocrisy is common amongst ALL fanbases, not just religious schools. But there does tend to be a fair amount of hypocrisy in pretty much all religions too. But that's a whole nother can of worms)

[Khan4Cats]

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not really. it might have contributed to us not getting an at-large. But I think our home losses to Western Illinois and NORTH DAKOTA contributed more.


But anyway, a game against an FBS opponent may not mean as much as a conference game against the likes of, say, SIU. But it certainly isn't meaningless.


Football is a physical game. Players go back in after being shook up all the time.

I disagree. Beating Western would have got us in. North Dakota may have got us in. But even losing those two, we didn't get in at 7-4 and Montana State (I think) did with an identical 7-4 record. They also lost to a D-II team that year, but beat Colorado. We beat Iowa State and we are 8-3 and would have been tough for the committee put them in ahead of us, even if they were using the "too many from conference line" that year. Which was conveniently dropped for New Hampshire and the CAA last year.

[Matt Trump]

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Great to see some BYU fans piling on after the win after not being around prior. A nice well-rounded fan base.

[joecooll6]

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The hypocrisy of BYU fans, on every level, amazes me

If UNI is ever on the bubble in football and basketball in the same season, then you will see some hypocricy.

[Trapped in California]

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To say a win against a FBS division school doesn't matter is asinine. If you are on the bubble, or hoping for a seed in the playoffs, SOS is considered. Beating a team up a division is hard for a reason.

I cannot speak either way to the ref situation, as I was too busy swearing at the third world phone connection that caused the stream to be dropped. I lost count after 20 dropped connections.

BYU - invest a couple of dollars in equipment upgrades for the most beautiful stadium in the universe.

Any word on Pat Grace's condition?

[JayJ79]

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I disagree. Beating Western would have got us in. North Dakota may have got us in. But even losing those two, we didn't get in at 7-4 and Montana State (I think) did with an identical 7-4 record. They also lost to a D-II team that year, but beat Colorado. We beat Iowa State and we are 8-3 and would have been tough for the committee put them in ahead of us, even if they were using the "too many from conference line" that year. Which was conveniently dropped for New Hampshire and the CAA last year.

Actually, I take back my argument.
Neither a win over Iowa State, nor a win over North Dakota would have gotten us in. Because the selection committee NEVER GIVES UNI AN AT-LARGE BID, ever.

However a win over WIU would have gotten us in, as we would have won the conference auto-bid.


But the past is the past.