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  • #16
    Re: Horrible Defense

    Originally posted by 06panther10 View Post
    Blitzing is not the answer. If we cant cover a USD offense with 8 guys in the defensive backfield, what makes you think we could cover them with 6? We would just get burned worse. You can't depend on sacking the quarterback everytime. Better coverage is the answer.
    It's much easier to cover someone for a short amount of time due to the QB getting: a)sacked b) getting forced to scramble c)forced to make a bad throw or throw the ball away all due to pressure. QB's are not going to be as accurate on the run, and if we come off the edge and force him to move a bit and play some man it would help some. I'm not saying it would solve everything, but it would help.


    Also, I've noticed we are better when we do blitz, I don't have stats to back me up though. That is pure observation

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    • #17
      Re: Horrible Defense

      Originally posted by dan_beeding View Post
      I'm just sayin.... You sure are high on criticizing coaches.... Especially one who was the Eddie Robinson award winner last year. The last thing I want to get on here and read is more "what if we did this," or "why don't the coaches realize if we did this, it would work." Criticize Jake, because he hasn't proven himself, but this team has used the same defense for the past 6 years, and has had a pretty nice success rate.
      We have had a good success rate in recent years because the offense has kept us in games. It seems that every year we have an offense that is pretty good and keeps us winning but eventually we face an opponent(s) whether its in regular season or post season that tears us appart becuse they can demolish our D with short passes or a moblie quarterback.

      In 2005, we won at Texas St. in the playoffs because the Texas St. coach is a moron. Yes I know we won but thank you to whever that coach at Texas St. was. Why would you kneel with 1:20 left in the game and three timeouts and all you need is a field goal to win? You can't really say that the defense was the number 1 reason we won. They played well but we also got lucky.

      Last year we lost against UD in the dome because of two reason: #1 Flacco is a stud. #2 We couldn't get any pressure to him and he picked us apart with short passes because our zone D sucks.

      Every year we have the same defense that limits the long ball but gives the 5 yard passes. Well, when you add up all those 5 yard passes, you will eventually get a score.

      I am not saying Farley is a bad coach or that he should go. I love his intensity and his passion for the purple and gold. All I am saying is that maybe he should look into something a little bit different as far as a defensive scheme goes. At this point in time, everybody can see that our defense needs some major re-tooling. Whether it's personell or a defensive scheme, something has to be done if we want to contend for an MVFC/FCS championship.
      "If you want to bet against this UNI football team, go ahead. But, I'd be very careful."

      -UNI Head Football Coach Mark Farley

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      • #18
        Re: Horrible Defense

        Originally posted by 06panther10 View Post
        South Dakota shot themselves in the foot a few times. It should have been alot worse. And lets not forget, this is a team that we should easily handle. And that was not even close to what actually happened.
        Who says we should easily handle them? We have yet to see how good they are.
        Selling a lot of old UNI stuff here: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=65762

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        • #19
          Re: Horrible Defense

          Originally posted by Panthers#1 View Post
          Whether it's personell or a defensive scheme, something has to be done if we want to contend for an MVFC/FCS championship.


          We're in the running for the conference every year, and we have a championship trophy if Sanders doesn't get stripped against App St. So clearly nothing needs to be done to contend for a conf or natl championship.
          Selling a lot of old UNI stuff here: http://www.panthernation.com/showthread.php?t=65762

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          • #20
            Re: Horrible Defense

            Yes our defense sucks based on our last five opponents! Does it? Ricky Santos was the player of the year in '06, the Delaware kid is starting in the NFL, the BYU kid is a Heisman candidate and the kid Saturday I thought was pretty dam good. Ya, we suck or maybe we should give the other teams' players some credit.

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            • #21
              Re: Horrible Defense

              Originally posted by clenz View Post
              It's much easier to cover someone for a short amount of time due to the QB getting: a)sacked b) getting forced to scramble c)forced to make a bad throw or throw the ball away all due to pressure. QB's are not going to be as accurate on the run, and if we come off the edge and force him to move a bit and play some man it would help some. I'm not saying it would solve everything, but it would help.
              There were numerous occasions when we forced Noah Shepard to scramble. Didn't stop him from hitting Dan Skelly (#11) in the flat (who was open all game it seemed), or simply tucking the ball and running for 8-15 yards at a pop.

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              • #22
                Re: Horrible Defense

                Originally posted by Rob Weiss View Post


                We're in the running for the conference every year, and we have a championship trophy if Sanders doesn't get stripped against App St. So clearly nothing needs to be done to contend for a conf or natl championship.
                I should clarify. I am talking about what I have seen this year. Do you really think we could win the MVFC with the defense we have shown this year? I personally don't think so. South Dakota could have easily won if they would have just kept passing. Do you really think we can beat NDSU or SDSU or SIU this year with this defense? I really hope so but from what I saw 24 hours ago, we have a long way to go.
                "If you want to bet against this UNI football team, go ahead. But, I'd be very careful."

                -UNI Head Football Coach Mark Farley

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                • #23
                  Re: Horrible Defense

                  So clearly nothing needs to be done to contend for a conf or natl championship.
                  Conference, no. National Championship? Maybe...
                  "If you want to bet against this UNI football team, go ahead. But, I'd be very careful."

                  -UNI Head Football Coach Mark Farley

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                  • #24
                    Re: Horrible Defense

                    It seems like making the big plays when needed are becoming fewer and far between. Maybe I have to much of Delaware getting EVERY third down conversion on my mind, but thats how it seems. And of course we arent going to hold teams under 100 yards, but we sure as hell hope to hold them under 400, and having them outgain us. That, on the otherhand, is unacceptable.
                    UNI FIGHT

                    Originally posted by 9YRPLAN
                    iowa sucks, fran sucks, their schedule sucks, iowa fans suck

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                    • #25
                      Re: Horrible Defense

                      Who cares if we're outgained if we win?
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                      • #26
                        Re: Horrible Defense

                        Originally posted by Rob Weiss View Post
                        Who cares if we're outgained if we win?
                        I agree with this statement if it is absolute.

                        But good luck winning consistently if you have no concern regarding statistics.

                        UNI won that game purely on talent. We have more talent than anyone we play outside of BYU. However, we were out played yesterday.

                        I'm excited to get this 2 weeks behind us and play SDSU to our potential.
                        "We're not an ordinary school," said Fort. "We have tradition. We have a good team year after year. We rebuild, and it doesn't matter who we have coming back."

                        dti

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                        • #27
                          Re: Horrible Defense

                          Originally posted by Zakelsta View Post
                          Last year UNI led like...everyone in defensive scoring, and were like...impossible to run on. The problem is the soft zone we play.

                          When we run this soft cover 2, bringing only the 4 dlinemen after the QB and he has all day to find the holes in our zone.
                          Absolutely correct.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Horrible Defense

                            It wasn't just the defense that was sloppy, the entire team performed poorly.

                            I guess the argument for the defense we play can be made in the other direction. The defense is geared to stop the run. Most of the teams in the MVFC are running teams. The defense has had success in defending the run. It seems the defensive scheme is about minimizing the risks for big plays against while maximizing the opportunities for big plays for. By preventing the long pass, the big play is avoided. With the shorter routes, there are more opportunites for picks, incompletions, and fumbles at the end of runs while only giving up smaller amounts of yards each play.

                            The other thing to consider is that most of the aggravating plays occur after the play has been occuring for at least 4-5 seconds. This means that the initial coverage is solid enough that the qb must improvise to make a play. This is when the breakdowns occur.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Horrible Defense

                              One can't ignore the turnovers also. The d maybe giving up yards but it is getting the ball loose and getting on it when it hits the ground.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Horrible Defense

                                Sorry to go on again, but the Delaware game was not lost only because of our defense. Their linebacker returned a fumble for a touchdown and thats impossible to counter. Plus, the offense stopped running the ball...

                                Football is the ultimate TEAM game and it takes everyone to win and lose.

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