Horrible Defense

[Panthers#1]

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I guess I've looked at the defense the last few years and said, "They make big plays and get stops when they need to more often than not." Can you really ask for more?

Until we win a National Championship, then yes I will always ask for more. Unless you are content with just winning conference championships and getting eliminated in the playoffs.

It seems like making the big plays when needed are becoming fewer and far between. Maybe I have to much of Delaware getting EVERY third down conversion on my mind, but thats how it seems. And of course we arent going to hold teams under 100 yards, but we sure as hell hope to hold them under 400, and having them outgain us. That, on the otherhand, is unacceptable.

To me this is exactly my point.

Again, I don't want anyone to leave the coaching staff. I just want them to take another look at the defense and try some different things. Do I know what those different things are? No and I am not going to try and make it sound like I do. I just don't want to see us keep giving up 400 yards on defense.

[06panther10]

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I would also like to say that our coaching staff is GREAT. I think we have the best coach in the nation. Getting rid of coaches is not what im getting at either. I just want to see some adjustments. We have seen this happen to us time and time again and nothing is changing.

[06panther10]

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Who cares if we're outgained if we win?

That is just dumb. You are not going to win very many games at all getting outgained and giving up that much yardage. As someone said before we won that game on pure talent. We were outplayed and outgained by a D-II team at home (Yes I know they are in the FCS transistion, but the players are still D-II players).

[JayJ79]

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Funny how FCS fans talking about D2 games sound almost exactly like how FBS fans talk about FCS games.

[UNI92]

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I've got complete confidence in the coaching staff that they will solve some of the problems...
Come playoff time, the selection committee will look at this game as a win.

Isn't there an old saying:
I'd rather play bad and win then play good and lose"??

[Big_Al]

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I wonder if we'd be having this same conversation if the final score was 35-13 or 42-13. It seems to me that USD was able to capitalize on a couple interceptions to push up their stats but weren't able to actually score.

Remember, the defense isn't entirely responsible for the low margin of victory. There are certainly areas of concern on both sides of the ball before we take on SDSU.

[Big_Al]

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Come playoff time, the selection committee will look at this game as a win.

Actually, the way I understand it, they won't count this game as a win.

[JayJ79]

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Actually, the way I understand it, they won't count this game as a win.

Correct. They're in their first transitional year, thus they do NOT count as a division one win in the eyes of the committee.

[ubuntuCAT]

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It counts as a win it just doesn't count toward the seven D-1 wins a team must have to be eligible for the playoffs.

[FerociousCat]

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Why isn't there a thread called "Horrible Offense"? Nearly everybody predicted a score of UNI 30-45 and USD 7-20. So the defense holds them to 13 and everybody is crying in their beer.
Give USD some credit...and realize that our rush defense is our strength. That is why we have a better chance of stopping them on 3rd & 1 than 3rd & forever!

[Panther-Sheik]

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I wonder if we'd be having this same conversation if the final score was 35-13 or 42-13. It seems to me that USD was able to capitalize on a couple interceptions to push up their stats but weren't able to actually score.

Remember, the defense isn't entirely responsible for the low margin of victory. There are certainly areas of concern on both sides of the ball before we take on SDSU.

I would. UNI didn't look good no matter what the score was on Saturday. I was disappointed at half time with the effort and defense being played on the field. There is much room for improvement and much film to watch. I believe the LB's need to do a much better job on pass D...not just or as much the DB's. The softness of the zone is typically in front of the DB's and the LB's need to do a better job getting there in their drops. Also, the LB's and DB's need to do a better job of closing when the ball does go in the air. We are about a beat too slow...and if their WR's had better speed (like UND two years ago) on Saturday, there would have been some huge plays being made and we might be talking about how to bounce back from a second loss to a D2 in two years. Not pushing the panic button, though. SDSU game will tell a lot. This week might have just been slow feet and dull emotions following and long and tough couple weeks surrounding BYU.

[clenz]

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There were numerous occasions when we forced Noah Shepard to scramble. Didn't stop him from hitting Dan Skelly (#11) in the flat (who was open all game it seemed), or simply tucking the ball and running for 8-15 yards at a pop.

I agree with this completely. However, ha we been playing man someone would have been with Skelly. They might have have broekn the pass up, but they would have stopped some of the YAC.

When I say come off the edge, that also implies keeping contain. We didn't keep contain very well. If we contain the edge, there is nowhere for the QB to go, and our zone will be more effective I believe.

I would. UNI didn't look good no matter what the score was on Saturday. I was disappointed at half time with the effort and defense being played on the field. There is much room for improvement and much film to watch. I believe the LB's need to do a much better job on pass D...not just or as much the DB's. The softness of the zone is typically in front of the DB's and the LB's need to do a better job getting there in their drops. Also, the LB's and DB's need to do a better job of closing when the ball does go in the air. We are about a beat too slow...and if their WR's had better speed (like UND two years ago) on Saturday, there would have been some huge plays being made and we might be talking about how to bounce back from a second loss to a D2 in two years. Not pushing the panic button, though. SDSU game will tell a lot. This week might have just been slow feet and dull emotions following and long and tough couple weeks surrounding BYU.

I agree. We need to improve, and if Farley say's it's coming I expect that it is coming.

This was going to be a tough game for us. Coming of a very tough BYU game, this game was going to be somewhat harder to get up for, and be at full speed in.

I think we will be fine, but our zone does need to be addressed somehow

[oldcat]

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If you were watching, it seemed as if their QB had to throw to a spot and their receiver had to run to that spot to catch it. So, receivers weren't "open" all day long, they found spots in the zone and their QB hit them. That's going to happen. But as you saw, once they got inside the 30...it became pretty tough sledding. That's the way this defense is designed.

Show me a time last two years that teams weren't able to move on us AT ALL? We're a bend but don't break type of defense.

They had more total offense than us.................how many times does that happen AND still win. It's not going to happen very often.

BUT.................our defense was horrible at first in 2005 and it improved the rest of the season and we played good defense against a good App. St. in the championship game!!

Patience..........................

[ubuntuCAT]

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They had more total offense than us.................how many times does that happen AND still win. It's not going to happen very often.

BUT.................our defense was horrible at first in 2005 and it improved the rest of the season and we played good defense against a good App. St. in the championship game!!

Patience..........................

yeah if you looked at all the stats but score you wouldn't think we won the game.
USD had almost 100 more yards, 3 more first downs, ran 23 more plays and only punted once.

[Cap'n Cat]

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They had more total offense than us.................how many times does that happen AND still win. It's not going to happen very often.

BUT.................our defense was horrible at first in 2005 and it improved the rest of the season and we played good defense against a good App. St. in the championship game!!

Patience..........................

The wisdom of a rotund old cat. Nothing better.

I agree with Rob and Oldcat. Take it easy, people.

There are many different ways to win a ball game and danged if we don't find 'em all.



Remember, too, that there is a reason Coach Farley is where he is, pullin' down 300Big and you, a pissant, are in front of a monitor eating pepperoni Hot Pockets in your mom's basement, surfing child porn in your jammies and sniveling about the Panther defense.


You know, you could be a Youngstown fan......