Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

Honestly, you can lump the '10 Iowa State game in there as well.

UNI outgained ISU by over 100 yards, with 7-9 players on offense making their third ever start or seeing their first minutes of meaningful football....and first FBS game. That includes 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the RB (it was Carlos's first year as the full time back last season). Oh, and there is the fact that QB situation was in flux the first 6 weeks last season.


UNI litterally handed ISU 14 points, and 10 more ISU points came off of turnovers. I believe the only time ISU scored when they weren't handed a pick 6 or had the ball turned over in UNI territory thanks to a TO was FG.


ISU did hardly anything to "deserve" that win, except watch the UNI offense implode with the turnovers.

While there's a little truth in what you said you can't say the part in bold when we got shut out 27-0.

Even coach Farley himself says ISU thumped us good last year.

[ubuntuCAT]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

We don't think we're "above" you in a sense of arrogance or anything, but on paper a BCS program should expect to beat an FCS program. Would you expect to beat Drake? I'd sure hope so. Doesn't mean you always will, or that you're arrogant, it's just a logical assumption.

With the '06 and '07 games and the '09 Iowa game, everyone knows you can't take UNI lightly. UNI is consistently one of the best FCS programs, and every year FCS programs upset BCS programs. Just look at last year, eventual ACC champs lost to James Madison.

I think ISU wins by a comfortable margin, something like 35-14. Rhoads has a never lost to a non-BCS program as a head coach (not counting last year's Utah game as they had already accepted Pac-12 invite). ISU will win the battle in the trenches, keep Rennie in check and wear down UNI over the course of the game.

My "in-laws" are all die hard Panthers (girlfriend is a former Panther sprinter), so this game takes on a special importance for me. I'll root for UNI 363 days a year, but want blood on 9/3/11/. I hope everyone who comes to Ames has a good time and our fans are respectful. When I wore purple in Iowa City in '09 it was awful, and I hope we only behave that way towards Hawk fans.

I understand the point you are making but Drake is not a good analogy. ISU gives 85 scholarships, UNI 63 and Drake zero. UNI is a lot closer to ISU than they are to Drake.


I would also be very surprised to see ISU be noticeably better if any in the trenches. 5 new offensive linemen did just fine last year, our play makers just couldn't hold on to the damn ball

If there's one thing the UNI defense has done the last few years it's stop the run period.

[run&blade]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

ISU hasnt decided on a qb which means none of them are any good to stand out and take the job. I like uni's chances if they hiod onto the ball and rennie can pass a little bit.

[Mudrafan]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

I assume this is a young clown poster because UNI has been competitive with them for many years. They just don't play them that often. UNI won in '92 & '94 (not 100% sure on yrs). There were a number of other close games as well. UNI handed the game to them last year as that was not a very good UNI team due to our qb issues, turnovers, etc. It may be the same this year though.

[Twin Cities Panther]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

argh, no no, our QB had a BS fumble call on 1st drive vs ISU, (tv showed it crossed the goaline, then was fumbled after he was down) that totally changed the game.

Is that the one that cost you the national championship or another one just like it?

[Panther/Statesman]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

I get that it's all talk and speculation. But since UNI has been competative with ISU since the 90s I'm not sure where this expectation comes from that the Cyclones can just put in a workman like effort and wear down the Panthers. Yes there is a wide gulf between top BCS programs and FCS programs, mostly because of the year to year talent level. But now even that is being eroded because athletes would rather play in a smaller program than ride the bench at Major State U. That's why you're seeing upsets.

But ISU is not a top program.

I'm sure ISU is making strides in the talent level under Rhodes, and teams like K-State flourish under the right coaching staff, but its very unlikely that is in the Cyclones future. That being said, they can spring the upset when sufficiently motivated, and can't be taken lightly in any game.

And they won 27-0 last year. Yes they got every break, made some, and took advantage of their opportunities. But thinking that means they were 27 points better than UNI is the ultimate in rose-colored glasses homer mentality.

UNI is again picked to be one of the top teams in the FCS. There isn't a border between the divisions, as evidenced by the power ratings. I'm not taking ISU lightly, Farley sure isn't and neither should anyone else. And despite the talk and group-think among staters, I'm sure their coaching staff isn't either. But let's drop this weak sister BS, UNI arrived a long time ago.

[Panther-Sheik]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

It is true that a BCS team should never, EVER lose to a FCS team. Those are facts when considering resources, scholly players, recruiting advantages etc, etc. etc. It will always be an "upset" whenever the FCS team wins, and I agree with Al 4 State on that. But, that is why it is so sweet when UNI or another FCS school can actually knock off ISU, Michigan or any other BCS school. It is also why I am still so pissed that we didn't close the deal against Iowa in 09 or ISU in 06. Those chances should never come against BCS schools so you have to take advantage of them when you have them. I also hope that ISU is underestimating UNI and remembers the score from last year more than the actual competition that UNI brings. I think UNI definitely has the ability to win this year, but they did last year, too.

[JayJ79]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

I understand the point you are making but Drake is not a good analogy. ISU gives 85 scholarships, UNI 63 and Drake zero. UNI is a lot closer to ISU than they are to Drake.

How many football scholarships did Lehigh give out last year?

[Al_4_State]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

Honestly, you can lump the '10 Iowa State game in there as well.

UNI outgained ISU by over 100 yards, with 7-9 players on offense making their third ever start or seeing their first minutes of meaningful football....and first FBS game. That includes 5 offensive lineman, the QB, the RB (it was Carlos's first year as the full time back last season). Oh, and there is the fact that QB situation was in flux the first 6 weeks last season.


UNI litterally handed ISU 14 points, and 10 more ISU points came off of turnovers. I believe the only time ISU scored when they weren't handed a pick 6 or had the ball turned over in UNI territory thanks to a TO was FG.


ISU did hardly anything to "deserve" that win, except watch the UNI offense implode with the turnovers.

Under Rhoads and Burnham, our defense has been a classic "bend but don't break" set up. We give up a lot of yards, and force a lot of turnovers. It's one of the key tangible reasons for the significant improvement ISU has seen under Rhoads.

ISU was making the turnovers happen and making the most of them. I expect we'll continue to force turnovers this year as well. UNI's key will be to create some of their own.

[UNI83]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

Under Rhoads and Burnham, our defense has been a classic "bend but don't break" set up. We give up a lot of yards, and force a lot of turnovers. It's one of the key tangible reasons for the significant improvement ISU has seen under Rhoads.

ISU was making the turnovers happen and making the most of them. I expect we'll continue to force turnovers this year as well. UNI's key will be to create some of their own.

UNI was a turnover machine last year during the first half of the season....ISU didn't have to try to hard to force the turnovers.

[panther-state]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

UNI was a turnover machine last year during the first half of the season....ISU didn't have to try to hard to force the turnovers.

I think even Betty White could've forced a turnover from Rennie as long as he was inside 5 yd line.

ISU isn't just "bend but not break", as someone who has followed the Cyclones (especially football) since middle school, I would liken it more to "bend, severely crack and then slap some duct tape on it". CPR has done a lot of good for the program but you're a fool if you think he has magically fixed the Cyclones defensive woes. They are still just a mediocre defense at best, it just seem's like they're "all that" because of the state of past ISU defenses, like the one under Chizik

[Al_4_State]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

I think even Betty White could've forced a turnover from Rennie as long as he was inside 5 yd line.

ISU isn't just "bend but not break", as someone who has followed the Cyclones (especially football) since middle school, I would liken it more to "bend, severely crack and then slap some duct tape on it". CPR has done a lot of good for the program but you're a fool if you think he has magically fixed the Cyclones defensive woes. They are still just a mediocre defense at best, it just seem's like they're "all that" because of the state of past ISU defenses, like the one under Chizik

They still have some pretty bad games, but the amount of turnovers forced has been way up. ISU's defense has been pretty opportunistic the past couple years and it's won us a few games. My prediction is that it will continue this next season.

[panther-state]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

They still have some pretty bad games, but the amount of turnovers forced has been way up. ISU's defense has been pretty opportunistic the past couple years and it's won us a few games. My prediction is that it will continue this next season.

A defense that helps win games??? Do go on....



Alright, thats me just being a jerk but c'mon man, lets not kid ourselves. Has ISU's defense vastly improved in the past few seasons, yes. Does that mean they've improved past "mediocre" at best, probably not. There is nothing outstanding about the Clones defense aside from the fact that they are no longer on the same strength tier as tissue paper and cellophane (courtesy of Klein and Knott). I know you're a Clone homer, but I've seen plenty of your posts on CycloneFanatic and know you aren't as unreasonable or ignorant as many of your fellow posters over there, so I hope you can agree that ISU's D needs to be on it's A-game to keep us in check and shouldn't expect to luck out on turnovers like last year.

Also I've noticed that talking about the offense is a big conversation stopper with my Cyclone friends...whats the word on the Tiller/Jantz/Barnett battle? I think Rhoads better pick a starter and a CLEAR one soon. If he plays that game of using early contests to determine a starter he's going to give fans a headache...Panther fans would know...

[cydave]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

A defense that helps win games??? Do go on....



Alright, thats me just being a jerk but c'mon man, lets not kid ourselves. Has ISU's defense vastly improved in the past few seasons, yes. Does that mean they've improved past "mediocre" at best, probably not. There is nothing outstanding about the Clones defense aside from the fact that they are no longer on the same strength tier as tissue paper and cellophane (courtesy of Klein and Knott). I know you're a Clone homer, but I've seen plenty of your posts on CycloneFanatic and know you aren't as unreasonable or ignorant as many of your fellow posters over there, so I hope you can agree that ISU's D needs to be on it's A-game to keep us in check and shouldn't expect to luck out on turnovers like last year.

Also I've noticed that talking about the offense is a big conversation stopper with my Cyclone friends...whats the word on the Tiller/Jantz/Barnett battle? I think Rhoads better pick a starter and a CLEAR one soon. If he plays that game of using early contests to determine a starter he's going to give fans a headache...Panther fans would know...

Honestly, UNI may have a good offense this year (if Rennie learned how to throw a ball) but I don't think ISU's defense needs to bring their A-game to stop UNI. Being that it's the first game for both teams, I don't think either team will have their A-game. I'll be pleased to see ISU bring their B-game.

And I'm pretty sure Rhoads has mentioned that he will have a starter before the season opener and he will not use the first couple of games to shuffle in QB's to find the starter. As of right now, it seems like he's keeping a tight lid on the QB battle.

[UNI83]

Re: Can the Panthers take down ISU on Sep 3rd?

Keep telling yourself ISU only needs to bring their B- game to hold UNI in check. If thats the effort they bring this UNI offense will have a better yardage output than yhey did last season. Dont count on two pick sixs and a fumble from carlos inside the 1 yardline again the year. Last year was 8 new starters on offense and a qb situation that sounds similar to yours this year (heres a hint - it doesnt work)This year we bring back 9 starters, and a clear #1