UNI vs. ISU

[95UNIGRAD]

Re: UNI vs. ISU

Not that I completely agree with everything said NB's post, I need a lot of convincing that Iowa State is a much better program than UNI. He simply stated that basically UNI-ISU are equals on the football field and I would agree for the most part.

The biggest differences are venues and the fact that ISU is associated with the Big XII and UNI is an MVC school. If you didn't know that previously you'd think both schools were C-USA/MAC schools by watching last nights game

That bolded part is so completely true, and kind of what I was getting at in my previous long post.

By the way, Dave - I mean lack of progress since the McCarney era - obviously he (at least temporarily) changed the culture there from perennial doormat of the league to a team that could at least compete occasionally and slip into a lower tier bowl game. What I saw last night (or the past few years for that matter) doesn't show me at all that they are even headed back to the "glory" of the McCarney era, let alone continuing to grow as a program. You gotta step back out of 'Clone fandom for a minute, man, and just look at it objectively. They just shouldn't be in the league they're in, and it shows in the product on the field.

[cydave]

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You do realize the name of the board is...Panther Nation...right & not Clown fanatic?

Yes, you mention that every chance you get.
And I assume you are an older adult? If so, it really shows your level of character and class to still be calling us clowns. Do you realize it doesn't do anything besides make you look like a whiny little teenager?

Most of those games were played without helmets so you need to look at the modern era. In this era, the total scores, yardage, etc is pretty even steven going back to the modern era of the mid-90s forward. The series has been extremely competitive since then. In fact, much more so than the Iowa/clown series where it has been far one sided for a heavy majority.

Funny you bring up the modern era about the ISU/UNI series, but when you talk about the ISU/UI series, you bring up the entire series record saying its lopsided. But, the modern era for the Cy-hawk series is very even.

Since we're only talking back to the mid-90's:
ISU VS UNI series: Since 1998, ISU leads the series 6-1.
ISU VS UI series: Since 1998, ISU leads the series 7-6.

[cydave]

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That bolded part is so completely true, and kind of what I was getting at in my previous long post.

By the way, Dave - I mean lack of progress since the McCarney era - obviously he (at least temporarily) changed the culture there from perennial doormat of the league to a team that could at least compete occasionally and slip into a lower tier bowl game. What I saw last night (or the past few years for that matter) doesn't show me at all that they are even headed back to the "glory" of the McCarney era, let alone continuing to grow as a program. You gotta step back out of 'Clone fandom for a minute, man, and just look at it objectively. They just shouldn't be in the league they're in, and it shows in the product on the field.

Well, we took a step backwards with Chizik.
But, with Rhoads, we are headed in the right direction. To say otherwise is ignorant. Rhoads took us to a bowl victory in his first season with a 7-6 record. His second season he brought us 5 wins, and we very easily could have won 2 more. (The OT loss to Nebraska and the KSU game) We also beat Texas on the road that year.
This year is still unknown.

If you really don't think Rhoads is improving the ISU program and can't get ISU back to the Mac days, you really don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but its true. I'm sure a lot of panther fans who rarely pay attention to ISU can agree with me on this point.

[FOTY]

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Well, after having made the 10 hour drive to Ames and back I have to say it was very much worth the trip. I'm glad I could make the trip. My thoughts...

- It sucks losing to anyone, none of the less in a game we had in our hands, except for the last 40 seconds.
- We've got a great team. It appears that the leaders are taking a proper perspective.
- I don't know if we are offering schollys for kickers, but we MUST stop losing the kickers we are recruiting to Iowa City.
- The new scoreboard is nice and crystal clear - great improvement!
- The sound system still sucks. Maybe it was designed with plans to fill in the South end. In addition to the overall sound quality, it seamed that they could not keep a consistent volume.
- Newsy stopped by to provide he is not just a message board meany... and yes, he was wearing purple
- I don't know why, but to me this one doesn't hurt as much as the loss in Iowa City.


And one last thought that I had this weekend... I really need to relocate back to Iowa. That drive sucks!

[cydave]

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Well, after having made the 10 hour drive to Ames and back I have to say it was very much worth the trip. I'm glad I could make the trip. My thoughts...

- It sucks losing to anyone, none of the less in a game we had in our hands, except for the last 40 seconds.
- We've got a great team. It appears that the leaders are taking a proper perspective.
- I don't know if we are offering schollys for kickers, but we MUST stop losing the kickers we are recruiting to Iowa City.
- The new scoreboard is nice and crystal clear - great improvement!
- The sound system still sucks. Maybe it was designed with plans to fill in the South end. In addition to the overall sound quality, it seamed that they could not keep a consistent volume.- Newsy stopped by to provide he is not just a message board meany... and yes, he was wearing purple
- I don't know why, but to me this one doesn't hurt as much as the loss in Iowa City.


And one last thought that I had this weekend... I really need to relocate back to Iowa. That drive sucks!

A lot of ISU fans feel the same way. However, they are still adjusting and mixing to get the proper levels for the different types of audio/songs. Being that it was the very first time it was actually used in a game scenario, I can't complain.

[01PantherFan]

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[FOTY]

Re: UNI vs. ISU

If you really don't think Rhoads is improving the ISU program and can't get ISU back to the Mac days, you really don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but its true. I'm sure a lot of panther fans who rarely pay attention to ISU can agree with me on this point.

This. Rhoads is the right man at the right time at the right school. I believe that he will be semi-successful at ISU for a number of years. In what conference... now, that is a great question.

I just wish they would accidently over look us.

[Mudrafan]

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Yes, you mention that every chance you get.
And I assume you are an older adult? If so, it really shows your level of character and class to still be calling us clowns. Do you realize it doesn't do anything besides make you look like a whiny little teenager?

Funny you bring up the modern era about the ISU/UNI series, but when you talk about the ISU/UI series, you bring up the entire series record saying its lopsided. But, the modern era for the Cy-hawk series is very even.

Since we're only talking back to the mid-90's:
ISU VS UNI series: Since 1998, ISU leads the series 6-1.
ISU VS UI series: Since 1998, ISU leads the series 7-6.

Numbnuts/clown fan...I need to mention it because you come off as hurt by being called a clown fan. This is a UNI board so get over it if the red carpet is not rolled out for you. In terms of modern era, I'm talking from the 1980's when UNI started playing the clowns again. Iowa started playing the clown shortly before that. The bottom line is that the series has been dead even from a competitive standpoint. UNI has won several times & came just short a number of other times. I think only a couple were lopsided & I would take last year out of that category as UNI outgained the clown...basically just giving them the game from the QB position.

Iowa has ***** slapped the clowns going back to the early 1980's save for just a few yrs. UNI has stood toe to toe w/ the clown since that time desite having significant disadvantages.

[Panther-Sheik]

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Why do we continue to talk trash about a team we lost to? They won, we lost. Move on to what is hopefully still an outstanding season.

They gave us four turnovers, and played without their 2best olineman, their two best dlineman, and their best receiver for the majority of the game....and they STILL beat us. Why are we still talking crap to them? Do you know how bad that makes us look? Just a reminder, we lost despite all of those variables working in our favor.

I think the fact that 22+50,000+30,000,000=1 is what allows UNI to still brag a bit even after a loss. That's 22 scholarships, 50,000 home fans and $30MM dollars in budget. If those cards aren't stacked against UNI to the tune of more than 1 point scored in desperation time...well, I think we can still talk a little smack to our Clone brethren (sorry Dave).

[cydave]

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Numbnuts/clown fan...I need to mention it because you come off as hurt by being called a clown fan. This is a UNI board so get over it if the red carpet is not rolled out for you. In terms of modern era, I'm talking from the 1980's when UNI started playing the clowns again. Iowa started playing the clown shortly before that. The bottom line is that the series has been dead even from a competitive standpoint. UNI has won several times & came just short a number of other times. I think only a couple were lopsided & I would take last year out of that category as UNI outgained the clown...basically just giving them the game from the QB position.

Iowa has ***** slapped the clowns going back to the early 1980's save for just a few yrs. UNI has stood toe to toe w/ the clown since that time desite having significant disadvantages.

haha you called me "numbnuts"?? wow, I really hope you're 14... If not, I weep for your maturity level and personality. And yes, you really hurt my feelings by calling me a clown..
If we had lost this year, would it be ok for ISU fans to say, well we were better than UNI, but our QB gave you guys the game with those 3 INTs?
And no, I don't expect red carpet to be rolled out for me.
You're like a broken record on this board. Whenever an opposing fan posts (especially me) you do the same thing everytime.
1. Call us clowns or some other goofy name.
2. Tell us it's a UNI board.

I actually enjoy reading your posts. It gives me a good laugh. I can't wait until you reply to this post. I hope its funny. What other names do you have for me besides Clown or numbnuts? Please make them more original, although numbnuts was a good one because I haven't heard that since grade school.

I think the fact that 22+50,000+30,000,000=1 is what allows UNI to still brag a bit even after a loss. That's 22 scholarships, 50,000 home fans and $30MM dollars in budget. If those cards aren't stacked against UNI to the tune of more than 1 point scored in desperation time...well, I think we can still talk a little smack to our Clone brethren (sorry Dave).

I respect this post a lot more than any other, mainly because you can give credit to your team without putting down ISU. I give UNI a lot of props for competing as well as they do with the disadvantages they have against us. I feel they will have a great year, especially with Rennie having figured out how to pass. If he gets into open field, he's tough to stop.

[Al_4_State]

Re: UNI vs. ISU

I can't speak for him, but I would say "since the beginning of time."

The fact that ISU continues to be no better than UNI, with the differences in resources, is astounding.

I can't believe ISU fans keep paying fifty bucks (or more) per head to watch a team equal to ours pretend to be a major conference program. It's astounding.

Well, at least that exercise in mass imagination will soon be ended in definitive fashion.

Is Iowa no better than UNI? Because the last time the two schools played, that game looked an awful lot like this one. Actually, I'd say that UNI outplayed Iowa even more. 2 low kicks kept UNI from taking that one.

That Iowa team won the Orange Bowl.

UNI is a Top 10 FCS program, and being an in-state game creates a lot of emotional intanglibles. I wish we never played you guys in football again.

That last sentence was compliment, by the way.

[BCPanther]

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Mudra,

You are absolutely embarrassing.

Please stop.

Sincerely,

Every Panther Fan Everywhere

[BryceC]

Re: UNI vs. ISU

I can't speak for him, but I would say "since the beginning of time."

The fact that ISU continues to be no better than UNI, with the differences in resources, is astounding.

I can't believe ISU fans keep paying fifty bucks (or more) per head to watch a team equal to ours pretend to be a major conference program. It's astounding.

Well, at least that exercise in mass imagination will soon be ended in definitive fashion.

ISU was missing 7 starters in that game. We started a 250 pounds converted D-End that weighs 250 pounds at our NT position. There are a LOT of schools that would struggle with UNI under those circumstances.

I'm not saying ISU is a good team this year, because after watching that atrocity I'd say we're really going to struggle. But the team that was on the field yesterday was not indicative of the where the program is.

Also, I love how you seem to be having hawkeye-esque wet dreams of ISU landing in a mid-major conference. I don't understand the joy some people have in this regard.

[jegbomb52]

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I have some comments on the kicking punting game, one of them I have made before.

1. I was happy we put the ball through the uprights Saturday night. How many years has it been since we kicked multiple FG's in a game without at least one miss?

2. I am not sold on kickoffs being "horrible." The one thing Farley has proven over the years, or at least since they moved the kickoffs back to the 30 (which will change next fall back to the 35 book it) is that if he doesn't have a kicker that can put the ball 2-3 yards deep in the end zone (which Sievertsen cannot) is to have them try an array of "gimmick" kickoffs, pooches, squibs, high lobbing kicks that only go 45 yards. I am not so sure that Sievertsen can't put the ball inside the 5 with decent hang time, but don't know if he will get the chance.

Our only option right now for those of you that want to see a deep "bomb" every time, is to pull the red-shirt off of a decent true freshman and have him be a kick off / long field goal guy his entire career, with the exeption of his senior year. I personally would be against this.

3. Punting. We punted 7 times Saturday night. 5 of those were during the 1st and 4th quarter, in the face of a 15 MPH wind (7-8 on the field, is 15 MPH a 100 feet in the air). Any punter that has punted in Jack Trice stadium will tell you that it is the worst place in the world to punt, as is our practice field in CF. One of the two punts that we had with the wind was from ISU's 37 yard line and is not punt you want with a 15 mile per hour wind at your back. We also punted a ball from ISU's 35 going into the wind, and when it was dropped on the 2 yard line we bumble around like we have spoons tied to our hands as it goes into the end zone. We had success punting last year, with two guys, the better of which is still around. Could he have hit a few balls better the other night? Sure, he will be the first one to tell you that, however its not as bad as some of you might think.

Personally, I am more worried about all of those "playmakers" you guys were so worried about Rennie not being able getting the ball to not being able to catch the ball when he threw it to them...

[JayJ79]

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I have some comments on the kicking punting game, one of them I have made before.

1. I was happy we put the ball through the uprights Saturday night. How many years has it been since we kicked multiple FG's in a game without at least one miss?

went 4-4 at South Dakota and 3-3 at Indiana State, last year.