UNI vs. ISU

[NEI Panther]

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Since this thread is about observations from the game, here are a couple of mine:

1) Nice to see a back that can get into the endzone.
2) Not sure if we should pass to Carlos much. 4 balls his way, 1 catch, 2 drops and the 4th was the 2 point conversion, not sure if it was all on him, but it looked like the ball hit him in the helmet.
3) Lack of disipline on defence killed us. Too many penalties. Also after a great play by Conley on the last drive to stop ISU OB on the 34 yard line. We were celebrating and were caught off gaurd on the pass that Horne ulmost scored on. We never got set on that play.

If you want to watch a replay you can find it a at the following link.

http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle....B_OEM_ID=10700

[ClivePurple]

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RE: ISU's conference affiliation: It does our state and taxpayers much more good if ISU lands in the strongest possible BCS conference, rather than ending up in a 2nd or, god forbid, third tier conference. The reason is that this goes well beyond athletics. ISU is a research institution that is in the realm of Cal-Berkeley in engineering, with Purdue and others in plant science, and with or above A&M or Minnesota or Illinois in ag and agronomy and related disciplines. And by the way, ag innovation and ag economics and ag engineering are the future of the world, with population, resource and environmental management and integrated food production needs that will shape global quality of life.

Sorry to pontificate, but ISU needs to be in a conference with its academic peers. It is better for research funding, collaboration opportunities and ultimately economic payoff for Iowa. ISU would be a perfect match for the Bit 10, but alas, TV revenue rules all.

[Big Poppa Pump]

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I am embarrassed for Iowa State University, are you kidding me, 16 penalties to 8, seems to me that UNI had enough going against them to start with being on the road vs a Big 12 team, you could call a penalty on every play of football game, 2 to 1 penalties does not sound like a level playing field to me. It was almost like the ISU coach knew he would get five chances at the end of the first helf, why would you not kick a field goal? The best team lost, plain and simple, ISU needed everyone of those 16 penalties to beat a D 1-AA team, I sure hope that IOWA lays the smack down on the clowns. I may be mistaken, but I did not see any holding calls vs ISU, either their technique is impecciable, or they got away with a lot of holding, Boothby was the best defender on the field, seems to me they had to hold him once or twice. I thought the on side kick and horrific PI calls back in the day were bad, this game rivaled that, where were these officials from? I think UNI will be all right, but they deserved to win the game, I guess we have to thankful for the check ISU wrote, it does help the budget out!

[JayJ79]

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RE: ISU's conference affiliation: It does our state and taxpayers much more good if ISU lands in the strongest possible BCS conference, rather than ending up in a 2nd or, god forbid, third tier conference. The reason is that this goes well beyond athletics. ISU is a research institution that is in the realm of Cal-Berkeley in engineering, with Purdue and others in plant science, and with or above A&M or Minnesota or Illinois in ag and agronomy and related disciplines. And by the way, ag innovation and ag economics and ag engineering are the future of the world, with population, resource and environmental management and integrated food production needs that will shape global quality of life.

Sorry to pontificate, but ISU needs to be in a conference with its academic peers. It is better for research funding, collaboration opportunities and ultimately economic payoff for Iowa. ISU would be a perfect match for the Bit 10, but alas, TV revenue rules all.

how much does ATHLETIC conference affiliation really affect research funding and academics? Maybe if they were in the Ivy League or something, but I don't ever recall hearing anything about the Big 12 being known for it's academic reputation.

[9YRPLAN]

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are you freaking kidding me???

CAL is the NUMBER THREE engineering school in the country. ISU is #45. get real. ISU barely ranks ahead of Iowa. the idea that ISU is some engineering mecca is a complete farce.

[jnutt]

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how much does ATHLETIC conference affiliation really affect research funding and academics? Maybe if they were in the Ivy League or something, but I don't ever recall hearing anything about the Big 12 being known for it's academic reputation.

Big 12 > Mountain West. Money wise

[ClivePurple]

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are you freaking kidding me???

CAL is the NUMBER THREE engineering school in the country. ISU is #45. get real. ISU barely ranks ahead of Iowa. the idea that ISU is some engineering mecca is a complete farce.

As you'll see, that list is comprised of BCS Schools, along with the Ivys. I am simply saying ISU, as is documented, belongs on that list and belongs in one of the conferences reflected on that list. And among ag/bio engineering, ISU was 4th. Among civil, mechanical, aero and materials, Iowa state was in the top 20.

[UNI83]

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Ivy's have almost zero athletic reputation right now...they seem to do okay for academics.


I don't buy the "the school needs to be BCS to have good academics". How did that work prior to 1999?

[9YRPLAN]

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As you'll see, that list is comprised of BCS Schools, along with the Ivys. I am simply saying ISU, as is documented, belongs on that list and belongs in one of the conferences reflected on that list. And among ag/bio engineering, ISU was 4th. Among civil, mechanical, aero and materials, Iowa state was in the top 20.

huh?

kaboom

[UNI83]

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Clive...you realize that while conferences started based on Academics....only about 2 of them actually give a crap about being aligned based on academics, right?

The Ivy's...and apparently the B1G if the reports about them turning down schools based on academic standards is true.

[panther-state]

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He's saying that academically ISU is on par if not better than the majority of BCS schools in those areas

[UNI83]

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Again...what does the BCS have to do with it.

The BCS was created based on football, not academics.

[ClivePurple]

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Folks, folks, take off your jockstrap blinders and think a bit larger. It's called marketing. It's called image and reputation management. If Boeing is searching for a university research partner, they will chose Iowa State, (as they have in the past) or a similar school from a major university cluster in which member institutions have excelled as national research universities. If Iowa State is suddenly relegated to a conference connoted with Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, et al. Utah is thrilled to join the PAC 12 because its academic footprint is much larger than a MWC affiliation merits. That may be unfair, but it's called "optics" and it's reality. ISU must protect its academic standing in the fields in which it is a leader. Conference affiliation is one way that is done. Would Yale ever join the Patriot League just because it might get a few more athletic gate or media $$ for games? Never.

[9YRPLAN]

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i am not sure why you quoted me because the only thing i pointed out was that ISU is nowhere near Cal for engineering, which was a completely absurd statement.

[Newsbreaker]

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Clive would be right if we we talking about ISU staying in the Big Ten, where the academic arm is as strong (or stronger) than the athletic. That isn't, and has never been true in the Big 12/8. Listen to Nebraska gush over the academic opportunities suddenly open to them.

The Ivy League, MIT, etc all do fine as they are.

Yes, the largest and most well respected R1 institutions generally are large football schools. One doesn't necessarily cause the other, however. The biggest schools happen to attract the most research funding - they also happen to be the dominant schools in their states, the oldest, and the most able to afford major athletics.

ISU will be a major R1 institution, particularly in agriculture, with or without a BCS conference.