Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

[Khan4Cats]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

I am not sure how you can honestly say our offense has not been 'poor' for a good chunk of the year.

They finally figured out the strategy of give the ball to Johnson enough times and for every 5-6 plays where he only gets one yard or hit in the back field, he'll bust a big one to make the 'average' look good. That allows us to every now and then try a pass (even if Salmon still loves to try the homerun ball with about a .05% success rate).

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

I am not sure how you can honestly say our offense has not been 'poor' for a good chunk of the year.

Maybe, but somehow we kept winning, putting big points on the board, and that simply cannot be done with a completely poor offense. Pure and simple.

[jegbomb52]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Oh, I played all right, but that's neither here nor there. As for watching UNI games, I've seen all of the home games this year, so, no I'm not "complete" in that regard.

I'm simply saying that when over 60% of our points are coming from our offense, and we are putting up big points on the board, our offense is doing something right. You can't win games in football with a terrible offense, unless you somehow are so lucky as to score all of your points on defense or punt/kick returns. At some point, your offense is going to have to put points on the board, and that's exactly why we are in the playoffs now.

I'd be the first to say it if our offense was poor, but I'm simply not seeing it, especially when you have a rusher such as Johnson on our offense.

Ban, you can win games with terrible offense, we have won 8 of them

That being said, you can't honestly say that a team scoring 60% of its points via offense, and 40% of its points via special teams and defense is appropriate. Look at the NFL, I would be you not one team in the league top to bottom has scored less than 75% of their points via offense. Not in our conference either. That percentage, 60/40 is not okay.

You think our offense isn't poor or you think Johnson is good? There is a difference. When our starting qb completes less than 50% of his passes, and has on average less than 2 seconds to throw the football CONSISTENTLY that is poor. If it weren't for David Johnson we would be a sub .500 football team because of our offense.

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Ban, you can win games with terrible offense, we have won 8 of them

That being said, you can't honestly say that a team scoring 60% of its points via offense, and 40% of its points via special teams and defense is appropriate. Look at the NFL, I would be you not one team in the league top to bottom has scored less than 75% of their points via offense. Not in our conference either. That percentage, 60/40 is not okay.

You think our offense isn't poor or you think Johnson is good? There is a difference. When our starting qb completes less than 50% of his passes, and has on average less than 2 seconds to throw the football CONSISTENTLY that is poor. If it weren't for David Johnson we would be a sub .500 football team because of our offense.

I'm just saying that if you have a completely poor offense, your luck is going to run out on you in college football and you're simply not going to win games. You have to be able to put points on the board to win. If you don't, you lose, which we have not been doing as of late.

[SteinPizza]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Ban, you can win games with terrible offense, we have won 8 of them

That being said, you can't honestly say that a team scoring 60% of its points via offense, and 40% of its points via special teams and defense is appropriate. Look at the NFL, I would be you not one team in the league top to bottom has scored less than 75% of their points via offense. Not in our conference either. That percentage, 60/40 is not okay.

I agree with Jeg, especially since many special teams and defensive TD's result from errors by the other team. We've made our own luck, sure, and had a great return or two by a superior athlete (DJ). That said, you can't count on opponents errors and non traditional TDs as your level of competition goes upward in the playoffs.

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Not true.

234 of our 387 points (60%) have been scored by the offense (19.5 points per game).

I'm curious as to how you calculated that. I came up with 69%. I took all rushing and passing touchdowns and multiplied by 7.

[ronfitch]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

There are four triple option teams in the playoffs? Who knew?

From my NSA monitored nexus 5

Again, we need a "Like" button here.

Well played, Trapped.

[ronfitch]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Not true.

234 of our 387 points (60%) have been scored by the offense (19.5 points per game).

153 of our 387 points (40%) have been scored by special teams and defense (12.75 points per game).

I'm curious as to how you calculated that. I came up with 69%. I took all rushing and passing touchdowns and multiplied by 7.

Fair point - XPs kicked as the result of TDs scored by the offense would never happen if the offense doesn't put it in the end zone in the first place. To attribute those XPs only to STs isn't right.

In twelve games, 38 offensive TDs (22 ground, 16 air) + XPs = 266 of 387 for the season, 69% rounding up, are the result of the offense putting it in the end zone. And you have to consider that the offense is involved in putting the kicking team in position to kick a FG (most of the time, anyway).

Red zone execution has come away with points all but once this season, 40 of 41 - have to like that stat. Twenty-four of those (59%) were touchdowns. Not sure where that sits ... great, good, average or needs improvement.

Without a great defense and kick/punt returns accounting for seven TDs, UNI is not in the playoffs this year, IMO.

[Purrrrrfect]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

I don't think UNI wins 4 games without our defense/ST play and DJ.

[Kyle]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

I'm curious as to how you calculated that. I came up with 69%. I took all rushing and passing touchdowns and multiplied by 7.

ESPN's summary of our SIU game + 38 points against MSU.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=400557508

[jegbomb52]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Fair point - XPs kicked as the result of TDs scored by the offense would never happen if the offense doesn't put it in the end zone in the first place. To attribute those XPs only to STs isn't right.

In twelve games, 38 offensive TDs (22 ground, 16 air) + XPs = 266 of 387 for the season, 69% rounding up, are the result of the offense putting it in the end zone. And you have to consider that the offense is involved in putting the kicking team in position to kick a FG (most of the time, anyway).

Red zone execution has come away with points all but once this season, 40 of 41 - have to like that stat. Twenty-four of those (59%) were touchdowns. Not sure where that sits ... great, good, average or needs improvement.

Without a great defense and kick/punt returns accounting for seven TDs, UNI is not in the playoffs this year, IMO.

if were going to split hairs between 65 or 67 percent, please make sure you credit d / st with the extra points that the d or st scored....don't just assume all extra points were scored after offensive td's...

[ronfitch]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Fair point - XPs kicked as the result of TDs scored by the offense would never happen if the offense doesn't put it in the end zone in the first place. To attribute those XPs only to STs isn't right.

In twelve games, 38 offensive TDs (22 ground, 16 air) + XPs = 266 of 387 for the season, 69% rounding up, are the result of the offense putting it in the end zone. And you have to consider that the offense is involved in putting the kicking team in position to kick a FG (most of the time, anyway).

Red zone execution has come away with points all but once this season, 40 of 41 - have to like that stat. Twenty-four of those (59%) were touchdowns. Not sure where that sits ... great, good, average or needs improvement.

Without a great defense and kick/punt returns accounting for seven TDs, UNI is not in the playoffs this year, IMO.

if were going to split hairs between 65 or 67 percent, please make sure you credit d / st with the extra points that the d or st scored....don't just assume all extra points were scored after offensive td's...

Jeg, re-read it ... 38 offensive TDs + 38 XPs for *those* TDs = 266.

Someone else was posting that it was only 60% of points coming from the offense. Nearly 70% are offensive TDs+XPs. Then add offensive drives that ended in FGs, because many of those FGs don't happen if the offense does not put the kicker in position.

But the bigger point - that you and I are in agreement on - is I still believe without the defensive TDs (+XPs) and ST TDs (+XPs), this team is not in the playoffs. In the first seven games, there was something wrong with the offense. That changed after SDSU - when Carnes became the starter and Johnson got substantially more rushing touches - but D and ST points were still needed.

[ProwlingPanther]

The fact that we even have to point out that DJ wasn't getting enough touches at the beginning of the year while our offense was anemic, is reason enough to question the coaching. The percentage of points, offense vs defense becomes an after thought.

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

The fact that we even have to point out that DJ wasn't getting enough touches at the beginning of the year while our offense was anemic, is reason enough to question the coaching. The percentage of points, offense vs defense becomes an after thought.

So, now that Johnson is getting enough carries each game, the team is on a winning streak, and the team has made the playoffs, are the coaches now improved and "off the hook" (of course, until our next loss)?

[Trapped in California]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

So, now that Johnson is getting enough carries each game, the team is on a winning streak, and the team has made the playoffs, are the coaches now improved and "off the hook" (of course, until our next loss)?

Keep asking the question - keep getting the same answer. No.