Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

[06panther10]

Ban, I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this dumb argument.

Essentially, what you are trying to prove is that coaches should not be held responsible or accountable for the results on the field. Can you comprehend how utterly stupid that is?

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Ban, I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this dumb argument.

Essentially, what you are trying to prove is that coaches should not be held responsible or accountable for the results on the field. Can you comprehend how utterly stupid that is?

Nope. As I've said for years, and get shown it more and more with each passing season: coaches are not SOLELY responsible for a team winning and losing. For the "fire first and ask questions later" mentality of modern sports fans, they don't seem to be able to grasp that a coach, singlehandedly, cannot win or lose a game or season for a team.

Please do a search on here for my comments over the years, and you'll find that that has been my one and only point for years.

[PantherFan]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Please do a search on here for my comments over the years, and you'll find that that has been my one and only point for years.

No kidding.

[06panther10]

Nope. As I've said for years, and get shown it more and more with each passing season: coaches are not SOLELY responsible for a team winning and losing. For the "fire first and ask questions later" mentality of modern sports fans, they don't seem to be able to grasp that a coach, singlehandedly, cannot win or lose a game or season for a team.



Please do a search on here for my comments over the years, and you'll find that that has been my one and only point for years.

And you will continue to be wrong. Their recruiting, their players, their plays, their practices, their gameplans. They are responsible for getting results, and that is what they are paid for. Its not even an arguable point.

[UNIdad]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Can we shift this discussion to thread with another title? Regardless of your opinion on the topic, it does not help us in recruiting to have a thread about firing the coach always at the top of the thread list.

I will start a thread called "Analyzing our Coaches."

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

And you will continue to be wrong. Their recruiting, their players, their plays, their practices, their gameplans. They are responsible for getting results, and that is what they are paid for. Its not even an arguable point.

No one knows more than me that we hold them responsible, but as being 100% responsible, you would be wrong.

If losing the games early in the season was SOLELY the coaches' fault, then winning the 5 (or whatever it is) straight games and making it to the playoffs is also SOLELY due to the coaches then, correct? If not, why are they only responsible for losing and not winning?

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Can we shift this discussion to thread with another title? Regardless of your opinion on the topic, it does not help us in recruiting to have a thread about firing the coach always at the top of the thread list.

I will start a thread called "Analyzing our Coaches."

No, keep it here. I can, and am, easily show(ing) how shallow such an "argument" as, "fire the coaches!", is.

It's ridiculous, especially when you consider how good our team is playing right now.

[Kyle]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Even Terry Allen disagrees with Ban's premise and said as much in his post game presser.

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Even Terry Allen disagrees with Ban's premise and said as much in his post game presser.

I'm probably wrong, but all that I heard Allen say was (1) that it was pretty obvious that his contract wasn't being renewed and (2) that he was understanding of that decision.

Again, maybe he said more than this, but, if not, then how does this "disagree with Ban's premise," when he never said that he was SOLELY responsible, which has been my only point?

[GonzoCat]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Rarely is anyone "solely" responsibly for anything, particularly in a team sport. However people should be and are held responsible for their job performance. Unless they are offense coaches at UNI.

[ProwlingPanther]

In fact, I do not recall reading anything that claimed the coaches were soley responsible.

[UNIdad]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

Can we shift this discussion to thread with another title? Regardless of your opinion on the topic, it does not help us in recruiting to have a thread about firing the coach always at the top of the thread list.

I will start a thread called "Analyzing our Coaches."

As I came on the site this morning, I thought about all the recruits, their families, and coaches that are also doing so. Even though we are the hottest FCS team in the country, we have a top thread with a title about firing our coach! Does anyone really want our recruits, their families, and coaches spending their holidays in a thread with this title?

It isn't a question about whether it is a legitimate conversation or a silly conversation. And the content of the thread is actually rather thoughtful. It is the title that drives me crazy, especially when I think about the initial impression it gives to recruits, their families, and coaches.

The next 45 days may bring us some of the best national attention that we have had in years, particularly with basketball and wrestling being so good.

Please use the "Analyzing our Coaches" thread . . . or make your own.

[ban basketball]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

In fact, I do not recall reading anything that claimed the coaches were soley responsible.

Well, Panther 06 (or whatever his name is) kind of said that that the gameplan, recruiting, etc, etc, all falls on the coach, so, yes, it was basically said.

With that aside, I can't help but always notice how when the team is losing that the coach is the ONLY place that people want to turn to, while when the team is winning, the coaches don't seem to get the same attention.

Maybe "solely" isn't being used, but "it's all the coaches' fault" is being implied. You can work at trying to differentiate those two things.

[ProwlingPanther]

Pointing out legit responsibilities of coaches and areas where we obviously struggle is not "basically saying" they are soley responsible.

[CincyPanther88]

Re: Should Mark Farley be fired after the season?

As I came on the site this morning, I thought about all the recruits, their families, and coaches that are also doing so. Even though we are the hottest FCS team in the country, we have a top thread with a title about firing our coach! Does anyone really want our recruits, their families, and coaches spending their holidays in a thread with this title?

It isn't a question about whether it is a legitimate conversation or a silly conversation. And the content of the thread is actually rather thoughtful. It is the title that drives me crazy, especially when I think about the initial impression it gives to recruits, their families, and coaches.

I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. However, there are very few team message boards that do not have threads expressing their disappointment with their respective coaching staffs. Why I'll bet there were some Alabama message boards that called for Saban's head. Panther Nation is the rule, not the exception. I do not agree with the sentiment of threads like this but that is the price we have to pay for a liberally moderated message board.

I do think our coaches should be analyzed. If we praise them during the good times, we should be able to criticize them during the bad times. I don't like to see people fired but sometimes changes have to be made.